Just upgraded.....(hopefully)

[oneguy]

Just ordered an Outlaw with the 3 coil package. Been landing some real nice old properties lately and feel the older coins are just barely out of reach for my Golden Sabre II and seem to only be averaging about 1 silver dime per house and maybe 2-3 wheaties. Did some air testing last night with the 20+ yr old GSII and you are looking at a 5 1/2-6" machine on a silver dime, maybe 7" on a quarter. Dime was less than 5 1/2-6" with disc up near pulltab/zinc range. Tested with notch off, notch on, disc min to max, etc. I need another 1" at least so hoping the Outlaw can give me that but after seeing KWs' depth video on dimes with the Outlaw I'm wondering if I made the right choice? Anyways....we'll find out in about a week.....

Raining crazy here last 2 weeks so haven't been out much at all. Have about 4-6 weeks until snow flies and already watching the white stuff creep down the mountain, my days are numbered. Looking forward to the new Outlaw and praying I can squeeze some more depth with it than my ol trusty GSII which has served me very well over 20+ yrs......

 

[Hombre]

oneguy,

I've watched your posts on the forum because you have the GS ll and I have the Pantera which is basically the same detector except the Pantera has manual ground balance.(they even share the same circuit board).

Awhile back you asked a question about how to set discrimination on your GS ll and I replied that I run my Pantera at minimum discrimination and set the notch switch to "off" and notch control to break tone on a zinc penny.

I also run with my sensitivity at 8 or 9 on the dial, depending on EMI or trashy ground, set up this way I am getting the maximum depth posible. When discrimination is set at minimum it is discrminating out small nails and with my notch control set to break tone on zinc penny,anything lower comes in with a low tone. With it set this way I get a high tone on anything higher in conductivity than a zincoln. If I want to cherry pick higher conductors like copper pennies up through silver dollars, I just dig the high tones. This is a proven way to get the best posible depth with these Tesoro notch detectors.

Think of higher discrimination in this way, say you are doing yard work and trimming the hedge with your electric trimmer with a fifty foot cord, it runs just fine this way. Then you want to do your neighbors hedge and add another fifty foot extension cord but find out it lost a bunch of power, whats up with this? Resistance is what is happening, the reduced flow of electrons through the longer wire is reducing the power to your hedge trimmer. Much the same way when you raise your discrimination it is reducing the depth of your detector and also sets you up for target masking.

The beauty of the Pantera or Golden Sabre ll is this: You can run your detector at minimum discrimination and classify targets in a discrimination "range" on where you set the notch control, if you are after silver set notch control to break tone on a zinc penny and dig only the high tone and ignore the low tones. Or if you are after gold jewelery, set notch control to break tone on a beavertail pulltab and dig only the low tones. Or do like me and use the two tone to classify the target and I will dig both tones depending on the area.

 

[oneguy]

Hombre.... Thankyou thankyou thankyou!!!!!! I definately remember your post, unfortunately I remembered it wrong...lol. Tried about everything BUT that today and ended up back with my usual settings that I have success with but the settings also sacrifice some depth. The way I set up my GSII was to turn up the disc until zinkers give a solid but broken tone...then set notch as per manual 1/2-1 number above disc number (right at 6). During air tests last night I was getting around 4- 4.5" on a silver dime is all. This has been my usual settings and although I'm getting some silver and some wheaties I KNEW that I was leaving lots behind but until I did my test I surely didn't think I was only getting 4-4.5"...????

I just started a new property today but was rained out shortly after I started. Large property built in early 20's and I only dug 4 coins but 3 were pennies and all 3 would have been silver if they were dimes so I think there are some silver goodies there to be had. I tired the "dig every repeatable target" system today with notch on min/ notch turned off and disc at min. Dug more crap than I care to so started to slowly turn up the disc leaving notch off, hunt some more, dug more crap, turn up disc, etc. then back to my "usual" preffered settings. I will try your settings once again now that you were so kind to refresh my memory on the settings.

So let me get this right..... set disc at min and just move notch level up until zinkers start to breakup...then turn off notch reject and that sets my high and low tone(s)....?????

I won't get my new machine until next week so a lot of this new place will get hunted with the GSII but she's a nice Lady and will most likely let me back in after I get the new machine.

I'm also hoping the ground balance stuff in the Outlaw may help but I've never had anything that has GB so this is new stuff for me? I'm smack dab right in the middle of the Rocky Mtns with lots of mining in the area so I'm sure the mineralization is fairly high? I know that no matter how high I set disc the chatter is constant around here.

I've done well with the GSII and can't complain but I KNOW "I" can do better with the GSII and hopefully even better yet with a tad more depth and an understanding of the newer machine......????

thanks again........all you guys have helped me to improve even in the short time I've been on this forum.

 

[Hombre]

oneguy quote " So let me get this right...set disc. at min and move notch level up until zinckers start to breakup then turn off notch reject and that sets my high low tone(s)...????

Yes, the zinckers don't really break up with the notch control but more of a blended high/low warble, best I can describe it. But, yeah set disc. to minimum and notch switch set to "off" and notch control set to between 5 and 6 and you should get a blended tone on a zinc penny. You will get a low tone from foil up to nickel and pulltab all the way up to the warble of the zinc penny. Anyways that is how it works on my Pantera. Good luck with you new Outlaw.

 

[Idxpro]

I hate to tell you this Oneguy, and some will get all over me for it, but just my honest experience anyway, the Outlaw is not very good on deep silver. See some of my youtube videos and you'll see what I mean. It's very deep on Nickel/Gold but not a good bite on the deep silver. Now I can't compare it to any other Tesoro because I have never owned another, but my F2 and Wjites Idx hits deep silver better than the Outlaw. The smaller coil LOVES rusty nails, but is super sensitive to gold range items. The 8" coil has a real hard time with deep pull tabs coming up in the dime range. To me, the 10x12 has the best disc of them all. Like I said though, the deep silver does not hit hard on the outlaw, and there is a lot of trash around, forget about it. Now i'm not saying I don't like it, I take it with me everywhere I go. It has found me the most gold jewelry of all my machines. I have learned however, old sites with lot's of iron, and looking for silver, the Outlaw isn't a good choice, unless you plan on digging a lot of rusty junk. There are way better machines in that price range for silver. Get your hands on an Idx, classic Id, or an F2 with a 6x11 DD, and you can turn your disc up and still hit the silver and copper with ease, especially the whites classic series. I just haven't been able to get the Outlaw to do the same. No Haters, it was just my opinion..

 

[oneguy]

I hate to tell you this Oneguy, and some will get all over me for it, but just my honest experience anyway, the Outlaw is not very good on deep silver. See some of my youtube videos and you'll see what I mean. the Outlaw isn't a good choice, unless you plan on digging a lot of rusty junk.

Yeah.....you may be right? To late now. I watched some vids about the outlaw by 53silver and he spoke highly? Then I called Tesoro and the guy nudged me towards the Outlaw although I had the Vaquero on my mind when I called. He steered me to a guy named Rusty who nudged me towards the Tejon, too much $ and way too many gizmos/knobs for me and I mentioned the Outlaw and basically said I wanted just an 1" or 2" more and he also thought the Outlaw would serve my needs....???? I told both those guys I'm a coinshooter (silver) and could care less about anything else... Ordered the machine and went back to youtube and saw some other Outlaw vids and wasn't too impressed with the depth.....I was actually kinda sick....lol

It's on the way now so we'll see when I get it out in the field....????

 

[kaolinwasher]

if you are a coin shooter , E TRACK , I can be honest as well the outlaw is not a silver machine in my ground dimes at 5" aire testing 6" with the 8" donut coil , againe i got the outlaw for Gold and it kicks but on gold , I would not call it a machine for small gold but get a gold ring in the ground and its got good depth on that , and lead and brass,

 

[oneguy]

KW...it was your vid that kinda made me a little sick after I'd just placed my order. Thanks for doing the vid tho...!!!! Of all the Outlaw depth vids I viewed I thought yours was closest to real life situation.....

 

[tabman]

Oneguy, you made the right choice. I like my Outlaw a whole better than I do my Vaquero and I hunt both coins and jewelry.

tabman

 

[Idxpro]

Right on Gunnar. Don't get discouraged though Oneguy, you may find so much gold it won't matter....lol. When it comes to coin shooting i'm a true believer in some display for narrowing things down. Silver can't hide from my Idx pro no matter what the conditions are. Check out some of monte's write ups, you will see what I mean. You can still pick them up for short change too. Then you will have a silver AND gold magnet......

 

[oneguy]

Right on Gunnar. Don't get discouraged though Oneguy, you may find so much gold it won't matter....lol. Silver can't hide from my Idx pro no matter what the conditions are. Then you will have a silver AND gold magnet......

Whats an idx pro....???? I could care less about any gold unless it's coin.

This Outlaw operates around 10khz and if I remember right my GSII operates around 14khz. Somewhere along the line, I thought I read that lower khz is better for silver..???? That was one reason I considered the Outlaw? I also mentioned the Compadre but was talked out of that rather quickly as a coinshooter (silver)......

Might have to re-think this purchase and continue the search for THE silver coinshooter extrodanaire....lol!!!!!!!

 

[Idxpro]

Idx pro is a whites, no bells , no whistles, just great silver machine and one of the best machines in iron infested old sites. It runs at 6.90 khz I believe. If you truly do not care for the gold and are a DIEHARD silver guy, dissapointment will come in the form of the Outlaw, sorry. If you are a diehard Tesoro guy, I wonder how the Deleon will do? Tabman I think owns every Tesoro out there, i'm sure he can tell you which is best for silver.

 

[mojotrout]

Hi Oneguy, Im fairly new at the MD game but have been running the Outlaw for 6 months now. I have found that in mild ground that is NOT iron infested, it will hit 8 inches on a freshly burried (2 months old) silver dime no probem. I know this becuase I have a coin garden with a 6 inch dime and my Outlaw will hit it 2 inches off the ground with both the 5.75 and (more cleanly) the 8 inch donut. I have posted a video of this on Youtube and somewhere on this forum.

IdXpr is correct IMO that the Outlaw has issues with iron. I dont bother hunting trashy sites with with it unless I have the time and energy to dig a bunch of nails, bolts, screw, nuts, etc. In fact, I usually pull out the Silver Umax. Not quite sure why it seems to do better in trash but it does...

If you have fairly clean sites to hunt, the Outlaw will do just fine. Its not a complete disaster in trash, but it loves old rusty iron and will be fooled by old bent nails a lot. It WILL find silver, and its tone on silver is nice and distinctive when not masked, but you might have to dig more than you'd like in iron infested areas.

Hope that helps and good luck!

 

[oneguy]

Thanks Mojo....I needed to hear that...lol I've got faith in Tesoros disc ability and I'm a coinshooter (silver/copper) so run high disc. Maybe (with any luck) I won't have the iron problems as those who hunt the stuff lower on the scale.

We'll see next week............

Also hoping that maybe that larger coil in the package adds more depth...??? Also looking forward to trying the small coil. Those coils alone will also bolt right up to my GSII for yet another option.

Thanks again to everyone...........

 

[happycamper08]

Because of this thread I air tested my outlaw yesterday. Thresh at 2 o'clock sens at 10 and I could get a dime at 9" and a quarter and a nickle at 10. I did notice if you use very short motions, 2" or so, this greatly reduces depth. I got my results by crossing whole coil. Makes me think the low and slow mantra may have a limit, ie to slow. My e-trac does the same, very small motions greatly reduce depth. Hope this helps.

 

[Idxpro]

Hey Happy, i must agree that slow swing on the Outlaw is not as productive as a faster swing. Try this, bury a nickle a few inches, and with a moderately slow swing, disc until the nickle just dissapears. Swing in a few directions at the SAME speed to confirm its just disc'd out. Then come at it with a faster swing and it's back. I'm not sure slow is so good with the Outlaw.

On another note, do you guys have issues with pull tabs in the coin range when over 6"-7"? Mine discs them fine until they are deep.

 

[happycamper08]

I don't thumb the disc much so I haven't noticed a prob with the disc. But it could be the same as yours.