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Just Ordered the SOV/GT with a WOT Coil ,,

Waterman

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from my local dealer here in Alberta, Canada, should be here in about 2 weeks in time for Christmas, I got the X-mas Specials so lots of extras & extended 2 year warranty. I have used the Explorer and SOVXS2APro for deep ring/coin hunting on fresh water beach's, and for me the SOV has better tones for my hearing & kinda hunting, no musical instruments to contend with and the depth appears to be equal to the Explorer. IMHO guys. Spring will tell more, we are frozen in solid up here in Central Alberta. H.H. :)
 
I might be ready for a larger coil for my GT. I don't think Depth should be the determining factor, I get good depth with my stock 10 inch. But more coverage is a consideration. I've found the GT is a slow down and listen to the music detector. Thats good but I would like to cover more ground. How about some comparisons from users and testers on coils for the GT now that the GT has been in use for a year. Whats WOT. DonNWF
 
I would really like to hear from the SOV/GT users that have used both the Sunray S-12 and the WOT, any difference in performance on the SOV, depth on both fresh & salt water beaches (wet sand). Thanks H.H.:)
 
Hard to compare larger coils, as there are only two of the same size to my knowledge.

If you want a BIG coil, then most like the WOT.
From some of the things I have read, there is a lot of similarity to the Excelerators around junk and noise.

Fairly large would be the S-12. Light and nice to swing. Not awful large. Very manageable. Surprisingly good target seperation.

Excelerators...
Very hot solid hitters, but heavy and bad in trash and noise.
Like the 12.5, but the 14 is just too big and heavy. Won't consider the 18.

Most like Coiltek or Sunray.
The Detech Excelerators you will either love or hate.......I mean REALLY......depending on when and where and how you try to use them.

If your stock coil is having trouble where you hunt, then you probably should not use a larger coil.

HH
 
I have used both find i like the S-12 better and gets enough depth for me. Find i like it because it's a little smaller and easier to use in tighter spots, also find it seperates targets and pinpointes well. Only my opinion!
 
By the way Waterman, sorry I didn't take note of our frozen brethren in the North Country on my weather post. I sometimes get over a hurricane buried road covered in sand. I figure your ground is like that this time of year. Can you get Sov sounds through lake ice? Think spring. :canadaflag::thumbup: Don
 
n/t
 
ill be geting a sov. GT before this spring. i have a explorer that i use alot on beaches and open ground . i first brought the wot but after a few trips i feel its just too heavy. i got the sunray x-12 and its just so nice to swing. very light , targets. pinpoints. my wot has not seen the light of day since . ill be getting the 12 incher for the sovereign.
ikon
 
I realize individual preferences and different ground conditions influence how a detector and coil combo set-up perform. But if you can give me some specifics on actual set-ups used, and why, it would be appreciated. Some questions:

1. In Disc mode (Iron msk on zero Disc and notch), over your usual ground with S12 or WOT, do you run with different SENS settings then you normally do with stock 10 in. coil?. Less, more, the same?

Is there a depth gain ( some, little, much), between stock and larger coils at setting used?

Is it necessary to tweak other settings (Vol, band, threshold), out of your normal range, to get into your operating zone.

2. More depth is good (I wouldn't turn down a three inch gain) but I'd like more ground coverage for the same number of swings, faster sweep speed, and I don't want to be overwhelmed with multiple sounds and readings. Will the larger coils:

Give me target separation, similar to 10 in, at the normal slooow GT sweep speed? What if I speed up my swing? Will a stable threshold be maintained if I pick up the sweep speed some, or will it go out of control.

Allow me to pin-point in Disc mode, on leading edge as I can with the 10 in?

Give me spot pin-pting in All/MET mode (center of coil, edge?), with signal strength equal to 10 in.

Give me the same tone structures and target feedback as 10 in.


I'll save questions on beach hunting and All-Metal for another post.
 
OH OH. Did I break some post rule or commit a grievous social error? I'm just a retread dinger from the late 80's trying to get up to speed before I run out of time. Did I ask a big stupid? Just what does BWWAAAAAHHHHA mean. Tell me I can handle it. :crazy: Don
 
(Q)1. In Disc mode (Iron mask on zero Disc and notch), over your usual ground with S12 or WOT, do you run with different SENS settings then you normally do with stock 10 in. coil?. Less, more, the same?


(A)First thing off I have used the S12 and the WOT on my Sovereign XS and XS2, but never had one to try on the GT, but would feel it will be the same. I am a land hunter looking for coins, not a water huntter and hope someone that is will reply too.
With the S12 I found I could still run my sensitivity at the 10-11 o'clock position like with my 10 inch coils,but got a little more falsing from iron, but easy to tell if you know your Sovereign. The WOT I tried I had to run more at the 12 o'clock position for it to be stable.


(Q)Is there a depth gain ( some, little, much), between stock and larger coils at setting used?


(A) On my test on actual targets I found I was getting a good inch more depth with the S12 over the 10 inch coils and seem to lock on to the target better plus the coil was lighter feeling. On the WOT I found it not to give my much depth over the stock coil, but only used it a couple of times before I had a chance to sell it.
From what I have seen the S12 will go deeper by a good inch over the stock 10 inch coil and lighter weight.

(Q)Is it necessary to tweak other settings (Vol, band, threshold), out of your normal range, to get into your operating zone.


(A) No setting had to be changed other than to recalibrate my Sun Ray meter.

(Q) 2. More depth is good (I wouldn't turn down a three inch gain) but I'd like more ground coverage for the same number of swings, faster sweep speed, and I don't want to be overwhelmed with multiple sounds and readings. Will the larger coils:

Give me target separation, similar to 10 in, at the normal slow GT sweep speed? What if I speed up my swing? Will a stable threshold be maintained if I pick up the sweep speed some, or will it go out of control.


(A)I felt the S12 gave very good target separation, but may have to go a little slower than the stock coil as it is seeing more than the stock coil does.On one of my Field test with the S 12 I was able to pick out a buffalo nickle in with some trash around 8 inches deep, there was also a token within 3 inches of the nickle as I knew there was more than one target there.

(Q)Allow me to pin-point in Disc mode, on leading edge as I can with the 10 in?

(A)No problem pinpointing with the S12 for me in the disc mode, just come at it from at least 2 different angles.

(Q) Give me spot pin-pting in All/MET mode (center of coil, edge?), with signal strength equal to 10 in.

(A) I found the signal strength to be great on the S12 in all metal mode and better in the all metal mode than the stock 10 inch coil.

(Q)Give me the same tone structures and target feedback as 10 in.

(A)I feel for tones I did get better tones on the S 12 on deeper coins I dig and even went against a Explorer XS with the stock coil by a guy very experienced with the Explorer and found I could hear every deep target he could get with a good tone and meter ID, some were very weak, but this was the first time I could keep up with him, but I was using the S12 where as before i was using a 8 inch coinsearch or a 10inch coil.


I'll save questions on beach hunting and All-Metal for another post.

(conclusion)Over all I found the 12 inch coil to be lighter and go deeper with some good target separation and in my field test I worked a couple of old parks that have been hammered to death and found more coins than I ever did before using any of my other coils. Many of this is knowing your Sovereign and going by the tones that are climbing and running a threshold plus going slow as you have to to get the deeper target others have missed.
This coil may not be for every one or every application, but how many do you see for sale? not too many is there so most must like them.

Rick
 
no don, that was a perfect question . i,m in the market for a GT before spring comes as by that time i too will be retired. thanks for putting up that post.
i like what rick always has to say and i knew he'd answer your ouestions.
ikon
 
That was one of those loaded questions that requires a fairly long and tedious answer.
Rick is good at those, but may end up with cramps in his fingers.

BWAAAHHAAAAHHHAAA is about like this.... :rofl:

HH
 
Ok Art I get it. You and Rick are still the best good information sources on this forum. I guess my advice on searching for brass is a non-starter (the possum is dead isn't it?). Even the best detector in the world can't reach through 10 feet of snow. Isn't that what you got up in OH? Its cold here too . Reached 60 when I was swingin the GT today. Think spring. :cool: Don.
 
n/t
 
Only a little snow on the ground. 20 degrees at the moment.

There are quite a few other guys out there that know their stuff, but mostly lurk.

Some questions can be answered in general, while some are so case and location specific that some may hesitate to take a shot at it.

Anyone who thinks they can help out is more than welcome to pitch in.

HH
 
Thanks Rick. As always, your replies contain information based on personal experience and solid knowledge. Your reply to my questions was just what I needed to make an informed decision on purchasing a larger coil for my GT. I've been pounding the woods and the beaches with my stock 10. I would expect any larger coil to give me more bang for the buck for my hunt areas, and the way I hunt. Why else would I want one. Its been a tossup between a larger coil or an S1 probe. Reality says you got to find em before you can probe em. So a larger coil seems to be prime.

On past posts on this forum, beach hunters almost always seem to swear by larger coils. I would be interested in feedback from them on the use of larger coils (on the SOV or Excal) and what it does and does not give them. On our backwater beaches (sounds and bays), I've even used a 5in Excelerator. Talk about a low cost performer. That baby can hunt (small beaches, low tide) and works great with slow Sov/GT swing. Thanks again for solid info. HH Don
 
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