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Just an observation?

Ron from Michigan

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One thing I have noticed with both the Excal and Sovereign these two detectors when compared with any other units have found more than their fair share of nice gold.Maybe because this is the preferred weapon of choice at the beach, not sure?These units do find deep silver,but some other detectors work well too by seeing the Explorer and CTX posts this is validated.But if you are going for gold jewelry at the beach the Excal and the Sovereign is the bench mark on getting the job done.I know that fine chains and small ear rings can be a problem,but medium to larger gold the Excal and Sovereign (BBS) rule. HH Ron
 
You Minelab guys are prolific posters with great write-ups and pictures...one of the most active groups on this whole forum, and a pleasure to read for even non-Minelab users like me. I've a good buddy who swings a Minelab, and it sure makes me a better and tougher hunter trying to outdo him...he's in his mid 30's, and has been swinging coil since his teens, I'm only 3 years into the sport, so I've learned a lot from y'all and him! Ron, we are from West Mich over by MKG. The beaches are sanded in really bad right now, the water is low, and the sand is frozen, but we have tried our best to find some open water and get in it! He found a beauty of a very old gold ring last week...yes, you guys got some great gear!
Mud.
 
Mud,LOL didn't like that last snow we just got.Let me know if you ever make it to the eastern part of the state,maybe we could meet up for a search.Thanks Ron
 
You ever get over this side, you PM me, we will sweep the heck out of Holland and GH...I gotta big place.
We just have little gold over here, like this!:rofl:
Mud
 
Ron, I guess I'm on the other side of the fence. I don't look at my GT as a first and foremost beach unit, even though I do some beach and water hunting with it, but rather as as good as it gets for finding old coins and other items at long since considered "dead" public land sites others have given up on.

Whenever I hear somebody say "you don't want to go there, we gave up on that spot 20 years ago", I just smile to myself and think..."Yea, but you ain't been there with a GT, nor the 12x10 coil". It's not just about the depth abilities of BBS in my soils either, but also Iron Mask's abilities to me in sniffing coins right out of iron patches.

It's the effort that makes the victory worth while. I've hunted easy virgin private spots for silver, and while that's great fun, I get a bit more satisfaction out of a longer harder road to plow to find the good stuff.

Also, while I've scooped gold rings in the water or sand, and by far it's much easier to do that with a long handled sand scoop, there is just something "extra special" about seeing that glint of gold in the dirt at a land site.

Might be much more work to get down and dig all those "junk" signals, but when you play the odds in just the right ways with settings (notch and disc), or with targeted areas, or just by audio traits alone (looking for smooth, warm, soft, "round" like signals), when a ring comes out of the soil for me it's something I don't soon forget.

It's been a while since my last land gold ring find, however I did dig a thin gold chain a month or so back, but then again more often than not I'm after old coins on land.

Got to change that mindset more this summer. I know of guys who specialize in land hunting for rings and do very well at it. Heck, I even know one or two through Emails who do that on land using an Excalibur and have sent me pics of some pretty outstanding finds, remarking about the audio qualities of the BBS units in avoiding at least some junk while digging at least some of the rings to be found.
 
Used GT with WOT today. About 15 recovered targets. 3 I had to leave because...they were just to deep. Most likely large objects like soda cans. One of them was just so crisp...Took me a lot before giving up there. Beach hunted had about 5 other detectorist. I saw 2 close enough to see their machines...both excal IIs. I found old buffalo nickle...in an around iron...it popped right out though. So I knew to dig it. And a nice silver quarter. For about 3 hours of hunting...its not many targets. No gold though, maybe next time.

Ron from Michigan said:
One thing I have noticed with both the Excal and Sovereign these two detectors when compared with any other units have found more than their fair share of nice gold.Maybe because this is the preferred weapon of choice at the beach, not sure?These units do find deep silver,but some other detectors work well too by seeing the Explorer and CTX posts this is validated.But if you are going for gold jewelry at the beach the Excal and the Sovereign is the bench mark on getting the job done.I know that fine chains and small ear rings can be a problem,but medium to larger gold the Excal and Sovereign (BBS) rule. HH Ron
 
Critter,the Sovereign is my favorite land detector.Always good news when someone tells me about their searched out park,because the Sovereign will continue to bring up some nice old finds.By the way left a message for JW like to purchase a 10X12 SEF coil for my Sovereign if any are left,you talked me into buying one.Thanks Ron
 
Ron iam sitting here waiting for these horrific winds to stop this time of year they don't the wind chill just plain sucks , i cant think of a more consistent machine that finds gold and silver more then the Sovereign,s or the Excals over the years on salt water and fresh water beaches and yea there is other machines that can do it but in the long run the Sov and Excal with no bells and whistles or screens take the prize :thumbup: HH Jim
 
Jim,well said, the Excal and Sovereign are simple and effective machines that over the years have found a lot of loot.Thanks Ron
 
Ron one of the big reasons the sov and excal are used so much on the beach is their physical design and simplicity, coupled up with the multi freq they use.
Not very easy or inexpensive to chestmount the explorer series and the CTX is both new and very expensive putting it out of reach of alot of detectorists.
Personally I dont wade with my etrac other than the very edge of the beach because its fairly easy for water to shoot up the shaft and wet at least the top cable connectors. The Sov/Excals poles are different and you can both wade deeper with it pole mounted and then even chestmount the sov(the excal is of course waterproof). That kind of versatility makes them very popular for the beach.
 
Neil,your factors are more requirements necessary to make a great beach/water detector. Thanks Ron
 
Ron from Michigan said:
Critter,the Sovereign is my favorite land detector.Always good news when someone tells me about their searched out park,because the Sovereign will continue to bring up some nice old finds.By the way left a message for JW like to purchase a 10X12 SEF coil for my Sovereign if any are left,you talked me into buying one.Thanks Ron

O-oh.....:blink: Now my butts on the line. If you get a bad 12x10 or for some reason your soil just rubs it the wrong way I'll never hear the end of it. :biggrin: I was going to force myself to part with it for a few weeks and offer to send you it this spring to try out, just so I could hear your opinion on it. Great that you are ordering one so now I won't have to suffer any separation anxiety. :biggrin: Hope Kellyco ain't sold out of the current batch (anybody?), but for sure JW is the one to ask on that. He seems to know things when others might not. I suspect he's good about walking the warehouse and keeping track of physical inventory maybe.

The 12x10 is a bit different beast than a typical coil. Don't crawl with it and do some long general "hunting for next target" sweeps over something at fringe depth in your soil. Play with the ultra slow to what might be called approaching a medium Whites speed over the target. Not the Sovereign wiggle, as we all know that faster short wiggle will enhance depth for best ID/tone when investigating a deep target once found.

Your soil will dictate if a somewhat faster speed is what the 12x10 wants for max depth. Might be slow or fast depending, but I'd say about 8 out of 10 sand or soil sites for me it's a somewhat faster sweep to achieve max depth, and it'll still separate fantastic thanks to it's ultra sharp DD line which, believe it or not, speeds up reaction time somewhat in a sense.

Also, when doing the Sovereign wiggle, I find this coil wants a bit different timing than other coils due to it's ultra sharp DD line. Like strumming a guitar with a pic rather than your thumb. Takes a little practice to get in rhythm with it. Not hard, just different. All coils seem to have different "timing" particulars on stuff like that to keep step with the beat they are playing at, so to speak.

It'll PP dead center, or rather just a hair in front of the shaft mount for me. But it'll also wickedly PP with the tip of the coil by wiggling forward until the target just sounds off. Then it'll be right at the base of that "V" shape of the outer edge of the coil. The tail end of it does the same thing. Even though the center DD line is scaple sharp, if a target you are interested in is mixed heavily in junk or iron, wiggle the last 2 or so inches of the tip at it to slice and dice even more so. Gets even sharper right near the tip for me. Love it when I hear a hint of a high tone in a bunch of lows or an iron null, and then work at that spot with the tip to see what I can sniff out.

But back to the main purpose of your thread concerning the Sovereign- Besides the ultra depth of the GT, even using the excellent stock 10" Tornado in my soil/sands, and the "no fuss" smooth stability, what I think I also like most is the long detailed robust audio, which not only gives a lot of target trait info, but also makes it much harder to miss a fringe depth target, or say one mixed in with a bunch of junk. More time to catch my attention than a small peep.

Said it before, but I call it the best of both worlds- The numerous tone alerts of a Minelab, yet with long detailed audio like the best of the old analog units. Plus, for super deep stuff, it's "take it easy" type of long look it allows on super deep stuff I feel gives me more time to hover or something and drink in a harder hit from it. With some fast machines you just can't do that, where it's trying to cut your look short, and if you hover too long can start to impact the stability or target quality.

Then there's the super high *conductivity* resolution in the foil up to copper penny range. Fantastic for avoiding trash while after rings, buttons, relics, or certain old coins that read much lower on the scale. That's where most of the junk lurks, so I do like to split hairs on VDIs when in the mood and the trash is just pounding me at a site.

Most days I'm in for a slow approach to working "dead" sites and simplistic "feel" of switches and dials to tweak things "just right", but other days, here and there, I do miss more of a "digital" perspective on life. That's where I plan to fill that hole with an SE Pro fitted with a 12x10, because I do miss that mesmerizing VDI smart screen ticking away on my prior Explorers. Just something magic about that in it's own special way, just like the Sovereign is in it's own unique way too.

People shouldn't look at these BBS units as something "less" in a Minelab, but rather something different and unique in it's own way. Some days you want a dark beer, some days you want a light beer, and if you combine that beer with different tastes in machines to match the mood your in for a lazy day hunt on some private land, so much the better...:beers:

The thing is, all machines have certain differences that will produce some finds at dead spots in their own way. Even differences in the coils detection field from one machine to another can cause it to hit something just right, like say a coin on edge or masked in a certain way, where you'll scratch your head and go "How did that dime store machine find that at this place?" I've seen and heard of guys using what one might term entry level machines and start popping stuff at sites that have been worked hard prior.

Part of that though is them just digging stuff that all the seasoned detectorists thought better to know wasn't dig worthy. Whenever a site seems to offer nothing else, just by digging the stuff your sure is going to turn out to be junk or a iron hit giving a false coin signal, will produce some keepers. Seen it happen. Usually we term it beginners luck, but a better term might be beginners inexperience where he didn't assume he knew what not to dig.

So long as there is iron and trash left at sites, nothing is hunted out by a long shot, even if the soil there makes it impossible for the old stuff to sink beyond the depth of typical detectors. Even just griding from odd diagonal angles to land marks that rubs human nature the wrong way can make a dead site come alive with halfway decent coin hits due to masking that others have never seen.

I'm going to try to make this habit more of my routine rather than exception this year. Every time I forced myself to stop paralleling land marks like sidewalks or wood lines or buildings and such, and made the mental effort to keep going at odd angles, usually some keepers pop out. You'd be surprised how hard that is to do if you don't keep it constant in your head. A few minutes later you naturally find yourself back to the normal parallel or 90 degree angles without even realizing it.

The fun part is to then, before digging, swing at that potential coin hit from the normal angles- parallel or 90 degrees, that others usually use 99% of the time. When I hear it nulling at those angles or degrading badly into well below the quality of what others might take a chance on as a coin, then I get a bit more excited about the potential, because I know chances are most never even heard that potential coin.

We did this some last summer, a friend and I, and both his other Minelab flagship model and my GT/12x10, were finding targets when compared that at the normal angles were nulls or junk city. Often these turned out to be silvers or wheats or such. It was big fun, and this was at a spot that was a small patch of grass in a park right near the parking lot, where I'm sure it's been pounded hard over 30 years or so by many different machines and coils.

Just by us fighting human nature and working that spot at some odd angles, stuff started turning up. I even remember that we had gridded patched of that ground in normal angles on prior days, and yet we came back and worked it with an "X" pattern instead of the typical "+" one, and it was like we never even hunted it before...
 
Not so sure about that.
I have chased my fair share of DEEEP Seated dimes and quarters.
Just the other day I spent 5 minutes chasing the tiny broken door off of a micro machine toy car and it was so deep I heard Chinese voices coming out of the hole.. sometimes my gt acts like a high single frequency machine pulling diamond studs from over 12" deep in the wet sand. TINY Spanish reales sound off crisp and sweet at 10". I really started noticing this once I started using the 12x10 S.E.F on my sovereign GT.
Just my results from the field. And these are not all beach finds. I have pulled up DEEEEP barber dimes and dungaree gromits from inland parks that I swear a kangaroo was going to punch me in the head from out of the hole.
HH
JASON
 
Critter,you and others have had good success with the 10X12 and looking forward toward to using this coil,also appreciate the tips.Hopefully JW will be able dig one up,but I will make it a priority to find one.A larger coil to compliment the 800 Tornado would be good.The weather here is very cold for the start of the week and then a warming trend for a few days.Thanks Ron
 
JW was on another line so ordered from Daniel.Total cost 193.00 will receive in 4-5 days.Looking forward to using another coil.Thanks Ron
 
Ron, excellent! Eagerly looking forward to any field report opinions you post on the 12x10 to see how they contrast to my feelings and others on it. Put it this way, the stock 10" Tornado is the best stock coil I ever used on a machine, yet I feel the 12x10 is so much better to me in all respects that I almost never use the 10" Tornado on land these days. It stays on my water rig (stock shaft), and if the 12x10 wasn't too much drag for my tastes in the water I'd probably sell of the 10" Tornado or keep it on a backup Sovereign to loan out to friends I want to try drinking the Sovereign kool aid on just to see if they get hooked...:devil:
 
Hey Ron.... did you feel that? It was the 80 degree sunshine i just pipped to you guy. I do not miss the cold gloomy weather of the North and not being able to get out there as much as id like. Hopefully you will be out there enjoying those detectors soon.

Dew
 
Ron from Michigan said:
JW was on another line so ordered from Daniel.Total cost 193.00 will receive in 4-5 days.Looking forward to using another coil.Thanks Ron

Ron, haven't really heard of any bad ones on the FBS/BBS units, just some issues with certain other brand detectors, but just the same- If you can precisely measure it's depth in a low EMI spot in the woods (a ruler in the foreground of a camera makes this an easy task to look at later to judge) using full blast manual sensitivity, Iron Mask ON, threshold mode and just high enough to hear, zero disc or notch....You should get about 11.5" in depth with it on a clad dime at first response in threshold. Deepest air test yet with a Sovereign coil for me, although of course these BBS units are unique and need a ground balance to achieve optimum performance. I have dug coins deeper in the ground with certain coils on the GT than air tests show, as it's always said of the BBS/FBS units. These tests were doing the Sovereign wiggle by the way.

Now that I've got a catalog of various coils in that respect, when I get a 13" Ultimate to replace my loaner if it doesn't achieve the 11" the loaner did I'll suspect something might be wrong with it.

Still can't get over that the 7.25" Tornado appears to be only lacking about a half inch to an inch of the 10" Tornado in these tests. That is very impressive to me. Can't wait to head out with it when weather permits here. Only a short 1 hour test spin in heavy iron with it so far, but it already showed me it could find some coins in heavy iron I plain out missed before in a small gridded area I've pounded over the years with various machines and coils. Nothing old per say, but copper pennies deep enough to know they'd been sitting in the ground there for years, with iron forming masking "rings" around them in some respects that a coil longer in length wise perspective would have a hard time finding if the DD line didn't miss all the surrounding trash by just the right angle.

Just what I was suspecting of this little eight inch Tornado. The 12x10 has a razor sharp DD line that will separate left/right wise like mad, but just the same it's probably going to be easier to "luck" onto a coin surrounded by a ring of trash with this little Tornado, without as much need to re-grid from various angles with a larger coil.
 
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