Just a thought and info

[Elton]

I recently..past summer, had a Coinstrike. After review I noticed the coinstrike found more Silver ,and Indian head cents, in high trash areas than any other detector I used.

The other detectors were.

Minelab XS standard coil
Whites XLT 350, 5.3 and 8 inch coil also 9.50 coil
Jimmy Sierra Spectrum same coils as above on XLT
Xterra 50 standard coil
Xterra 70 3. 7.5 and 18.75 DD coils

Coinstrike set preset 5" coil (Factory) Iron mask on full
Tracking on........Depth was 5 to 8Inches on pennies and dimes and a solid 9 inches on a quarter(Silver)
C$ worked very very well and was stable in highly trashed areas of old parks.

 

[Keith Southern]

Good info Elton.I seem to find more with my edge behind other detectors i've used. I belive the edge is alot like the coinstrike loves round objects and hates trash if you've never ran a edge you owe it to yourself to try one if you thought the coinstrike was sweet wait to you run a super stable edge. I run mine on max sensitivity even i the densest of iron with no problems.

Never could understand why the lost treasures field tester said he had to run his at 5 sensitivity to remain stable he must of had faulty unit?I have 2 edges and ive owned another 2 and they all have been the same real stable .


If you get a chance try out an edge if you havent already.

Thanks

keith Southern

 

[Mick in Dubbo]

Keith.
I'm interested in your comment about the Edge loving round objects. I'm looking for a detector that is best able to distinguish between screw caps and coins, as most valuable Aussie coins fall in this range. Could you elaborate on your comments please.
Thanks.
Mick Evans.

 

[Digger]

I own (or have owned) every one of those detectors (and coils) you mentioned. Including the C$. Other than the 350 Snooper, the 5-inch coil on your C$ is the smallest one you listed. And as you know, the 350 Snooper on an XLT requires a much faster sweep than the C$. To me, the fact you were finding these in a high trash area says as much about the size of coils you were using, as the detector. HH Randy

 

[Elton]

Randy:

You may be very correct on the coil size. My observation was based on my using the small coils on the Whites units in the exact same area. 350 was a little unstable on both Whites and did pick up some new pennies. The larger coils worked but not well.To much trash and to many objects under coil at one time..The Coinstrike 8 inch coil worked best using the larger coils. Though it did have it's problems just because of so many items under the coil at once. After hunting the area with both Whites machines using both small coils..350, and 5.3 coils I tried the coinstrike.used the 5"( Factory coil). I consistently found coins that I missed with the other units and coils.This included Indian Head Pennies, and Silver dimes and quarters.. I wonder if the Iron Mask on the Fisher (C$) made it possible for finding the coins next to discriminated out items.I used preset mode on Fisher with 99 iron mask..Of course I used coins mode on both Whites with Sensitivity adjusted up or down depending on stability of the machine.I did not use all metal mode on any detector. The Minelab units, the 50, and the 70 did not do well in any high trash area I detected..I did only use the standard coils. 3, or 7.5. I did not try the 18.75. I am not trying to state the Fisher is better.I am just stating in my area, and in a very high area of trash the C$ was able and did find more Silver, and more Indian Head coins on each outing than any of the other detectors......The XS produced no good finds. I used the only coil I had..1050 and it just could not pick between the trash.I contribute a lot of that to not being very good with the XS..(My Fault).....So I will restate.....after hunting high trash parks the Coinstrike produced more and deeper finds of Silver, and Indian Head Cents than the other detectors I tried. I know this is not scientific, nor even an accurate test. It just found more in the areas I hunted than the other machines.Can not explain why.
I would like to add. I have less experience with the Coinstrike than any of the other detectors I used....In fact at the start I had zero experience using the C$..It worked on the first outing, and many more ,over the time I had the machine.

 

[Cal_Cobra]

Elton thanks for your insight on the Coinstrike, this is good info.

I worked out a deal on a C$ with three coils, and I believe this is going to one fun detector (my first one). It looks like the 5" coil is the one to start off with to learn the MD.

Cal

 

[RLOH]

Elton, the C$ has a bad reputation, as a so so detector, but I have had three of them since they came out and it is one of my favorites. I had the small coils, but I could wade into heavy trash with the 8 inch coil and sniff out older coins. The small coils do work well and the numbers and tones do not vary from the stock coil. I live just down the road from you in and we have had a spring like two days. I have hunted 4 hours yesterday and today and as I hunt I often think about the different detectors I have used. I have come to the conclusion that every detector has it drawbacks. Yes Cz's like deep iron, C$'s like rusty bottle caps, Explorers like screwcaps as does my CZ 70, and the list goes on. Beaver tails seem to fool most all detectors. I have found that time in the field and paying close attention to signals and what you dig will often offset these quirks. I find your evaluation of the C$ to be exactly like mine. I dug the least amount of rusty iron with the C$. Once I realized the pulltab signal with the C$ I dug very few of them. What I did dig was just as you stated, silver and Indian heads. I had some of my best days of detecting with the C$ and where I found these coins was amazing. Trashy, old parks that I have been over with the top of the line detectors. Plus, I used all kinds of small coils in these spots. I sold my C$ last fall and I have another highly hyped detector in it's place. I'm not going to say what detector I replaced the C$ with, but it will probably go up for sale in the spring. It's a good detector, but not as good as the Coinstrike. R.L.

 

[Everett Cavanah]

In my opinion the EDGE and COIN_STRIKE are the best two units made to date, bar-none.

 

[Digger]

The C$ with the small 5" coil is a coin killer in trashy areas. My point was that the only other small coil you used was the Whites 350 Snooper. And, you used it on a detector that requires a much faster sweep than the C$. No match for the C$ and the 5" coil in trashy environments .

Target separation is of the utmost importance when hunting in sites that have an abundance of trash. As such, we must acknowledge that comparing the results of a 5-inch coil to the results of larger coils is not really an "apples to apples" comparison for those sites. The 5-inch coil on your C$ has a surface area of just under 20 square inches. If that coil went as deep as it is wide, you are analyzing about 98 cubic inches of dirt at any one time. The coils you used on the X-Terras were 9-inch coils. The surface area of a 9-inch coil is over 3 times as great as the 5-inch, at 63.5 square inches. And, based on the same theory that they hunt as deep as they are wide, the amount of dirt that a 9-inch coil will be analyzing at any one time is 572.265 cubic inches. Or nearly 6 times that of the 5-inch coil.
As to the 10.5-inch coil you had on the Explorer, it sees a surface area of 86.5 square inches. And based on the width/depth theory, it will be analyzing over 908 cubic inches of soil at any one time. That is half again more than the 9-inch on the X-Terra and over 9 times as much as with the 5-inch coil on your CoinStrke.

In short, the 10.5-inch coil has a 9 times greater likelyhood of having a target "masked" than a 5-inch coil. And, a 9-inch coil has nearly a 6 times greater likelyhood of masking a target than a 5-inch coil. I won't argue that the C$ and 5" coil is a great combination. In fact, in this particular hunt, it was obviously a coin killer! But again, I believe much of that success can be attributed to the detector/coil combinations you had available. HH Randy

 

[vlad]

I've had similar experiences using the 8" loop with the sens. turned down to 5, trax on, and notching out all but a little iron, all conductive targets accepted; finding conductive targets among iron, some to the point of saturation. Two examples: I had a 26 signal next to iron in roots that my partner hit with his Mk-1. He popped out a 1.5" rusty iron disc, and said whatever was left in the hole was iron. My C$ nulled on the discriminated out disc and continued to give a conductive signal in a hole I could now dig. I pinpointed it and out popped a nice seated dime. Another signal gave me a 23, next to a long piece of iron that was large, and it turned out to be a 1917 S Obverse Walker. Hard to argue with results.
I have not experienced any problems with BCs in the ground here. Nor any problems with the CZ with deep iron as long as I run no discrimination.

 

[Mike Hillis]

The CS doesn't lock onto iron like many machines do. That combined with it's fast recovery will enable unmasking some goodies that others missed. Even with the large 10.5" coil with lower settings like 325. The Explorer will tend to lock onto iron and you have to be more deliberate and focused with your movements and alternate between disc and iron mask around it. The Xterra doesn't run well in trash without a small DD like the 5x10 or the new 6" coils just because of it's average recovery speed.

HH

Mike

 

[christopher-ohio]

it really does not false on iron like the others except the maybe the Edge. The instability around powerlines at the old house sites I usually hunt at drove me a bit nuts whereas my CZ-70 was usually a dream in comparison although some did go a little crazy at times too. The Xterras still surprise me how, using only the stock 7.5 hz coil, they lock on coins and small conductive objects easily in the iron (22 shells, etc) compared to my CZ-70's with the stock 8 inch coil and the Explorer II's I've had mainly with the 8 inch FBS. I still say a well-tuned CZ-3D in enhanced will do great with all those midtones and separate the coins and good relics from the junk-I've proved it to myself many a time. I do agree each detector certainly has it's strengths and weakness...it just takes some of us 3 or more go arounds to finally convince ourselves what we like best

 

[Elton]

Cal :

learn it and it will work very very well...Learn the threshold setting I forgot that in my post -5 to-10 is ideal.....

 

[Elton]

Thank you for the nice back up to my findings concerning the coinstrike...........
I will trade my converted XS for another C$ very very soon....One with 8" and 5" coils.

 

[Elton]

Absolutely Randy and thanks for the numbers on sq inches. I was not trying to argue any point with you.Just making an observation.
I only wish I knew as much as you about detecting.Again thanks for the most valuable information and rest assured I copied it for my records....Have a great evening.Whats your thought on the XS with a 5 inch coil......Would the results be similar in high trash areas?

 

[Elton]

True..very hard to argue good solid results

 

[Elton]

I heard that about the two or three times around. It's hard to believe I would trade something that worked so well..HMMMmm

 

[Elton]

Thanks Keith..I will give one a whirl !!

 

[Digger]

I wasn't trying to start an argument either. (Although I should have shown more respect than to defend a "non-Fisher" detector on this forum. And for that, I apologize! ) I was merely trying to point out that nearly every detector known to mankind will provide better target separation when utilizing a small coil. Your C$ is an excellent detector. If I could have figured out how to decipher bottlecaps, I'd still be using mine.

I like the SunRay X-5 a LOT. I also like the X-8 and the Joey coil for trashy spots. All of them provide excellent depth of detection, as well as great separation characteristics. As you know, the Explorer is not going to set any land speed records for sweeping or target reset. But if you are in a high trash environment, speed is your enemy! By providing excellent audio sounds, as well as both ferrous and conductivity readings, the Explorer provides all the information I need to make my "dig or not to dig" decisions. It isn't everyone's cup of tea. And to be honest, I typically only use mine in trashy areas. I'm not as "physically able" as I once was. So for open field hunting, or those hunts that last all day, I prefer a better balanced detector. And I usually reach for the X-Terra 70. The 3 kHz concentric provides great discrimination on lower conductive targets. The 10.5 DD at 7.5 kHz provides excellent depth. And the 6-inch coils provide much better target separation. Particularly the DD at 18.75 khz. And for the sites I hunt, the reset speed is far quicker than most detectors on the market. I guess it just depends on how well acquainted you become with it.

One final thought I would like to share with you....... a few years ago I got to wondering why it is that I would always seem to find more coins with a "new" detector. It might not even be a new model. Just new to me. I have a theory that, when we get a new detector, we make every conscious effort to do it "by the book". In other words, we make sure the GB is correct. We make sure the sensitivity is just right. We sweep slower and take care to overlap our swaths. We listen more intently and concentrate more on what the audio is telling us. And by doing this, lo and behold, we find more coins. Even in areas that we have hunted with other detectors. I don't know if it is because we are simply paying more attention to detail. Or if we are "taking the time to do it right" because we just unloaded a fistful of cash! Either way, it works! I am honestly convinced that having a new detector and understanding how it works, will bring out the best of your detecting habits. And if you are like most of us, the more diligent you are, the more you will find. And the more you find, the more you will like that detector. And the more you like it, the more you will use it. And, the more you use it, the more you will find. etc. etc. etc. etc.

HH Randy

 

[Elton]

Quote from Randy

would like to share with you....... a few years ago I got to wondering why it is that I would always seem to find more coins with a "new" detector. It might not evethought I n be a new model. Just new to me. I have a theory that, when we get a new detector, we make every conscious effort to do it "by the boOne final ok". In other words, we make sure the GB is correct. We make sure the sensitivity is just right. We sweep slower and take care to overlap our swaths. We listen more intently and concentrate more on what the audio is telling us. And by doing this, lo and behold, we find more coins. Even in areas that we have hunted with other detectors. I don't know if it is because we are simply paying more attention to detail. Or if we are "taking the time to do it right" because we just unloaded a fistful of cash! Either way, it works! I am honestly convinced that having a new detector and understanding how it works, will bring out the best of your detecting habits. And if you are like most of us, the more diligent you are, the more you will find. And the more you find, the more you will like that detector. And the more you like it, the more you will use it. And, the more you use it, the more you will find. etc. etc. etc. etc.

HH Randy[/quote]


Now that makes a lot of Sense Randy..I would agree 110% that doing it by the book makes a great difference in results..Thank you !!!