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Just a question to ponder

BarberBill

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There's a recent post about losing depth on a gold ring when the disc is turned up. It's generally accepted that some depth loss may be encountered as the discrimination is raised so what's been going through my mind is how often do we (or have I) passed a potentially good target because it quit responding due to this depth reduction versus discriminating out? Certainly seems likely on targets at marginal depths. Any comments?
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Bill

This reply is maybe not even close to what you you are questioning about: But here it goes, last spring I bought a new to me old model Compadre with the 7 inch coil. I took it out for it's maiden voyage at a tot-lot that I had hunted in the past. When I arrived at the tot-lot, I noticed the grounds people had put in a new layer of woodchips and just knew that anything found would be deep. I turned on the the Compadre and set it on ALL-Metal and started running patterns in the tot-lot. I got a few weak signals and played with the disc.setting on these targets....I would turn the disc UP to IRON on the Compadre and still get a decent signal. Once I started to get near the FOIL marking on the Disc. setting.......the signal was not as pronounced. Once I got to the NICKEL setting the target signal would drop out. These targets turned out to be deteriorated Zincolns at about the absolute depth limit of the Compadre (about 7 to 8 inches in depth) in the loose wood chips. I have no doubt that the Compadre would signal on a gold ring at about the same depth using low Disc.at or about the IRON to FOIL setting on the dial. Low disc settings are the way to go to get the gold, a good location helps also.
 
If it's a deep weak signal, I'M DIGGING, because you can discriminate out a deep good target.

If I'm getting a strong signal on a shallow target and it discriminates out, then I may not dig :cool:

tabman
 
Hombre said:
Bill

This reply is maybe not even close to what you you are questioning about: But here it goes, last spring I bought a new to me old model Compadre with the 7 inch coil. I took it out for it's maiden voyage at a tot-lot that I had hunted in the past. When I arrived at the tot-lot, I noticed the grounds people had put in a new layer of woodchips and just knew that anything found would be deep. I turned on the the Compadre and set it on ALL-Metal and started running patterns in the tot-lot. I got a few weak signals and played with the disc.setting on these targets....I would turn the disc UP to IRON on the Compadre and still get a decent signal. Once I started to get near the FOIL marking on the Disc. setting.......the signal was not as pronounced. Once I got to the NICKEL setting the target signal would drop out. These targets turned out to be deteriorated Zincolns at about the absolute depth limit of the Compadre (about 7 to 8 inches in depth) in the loose wood chips. I have no doubt that the Compadre would signal on a gold ring at about the same depth using low Disc.at or about the IRON to FOIL setting on the dial. Low disc settings are the way to go to get the gold, a good location helps also.
This is an excellent reply and agrees with my findings with the Compadre. The most impressive was whenever I set the Compadre to just get rid of tiny iron signals caused by iron particles in an iron-ore infested playground under some swing sets.l had searched there for over 30 years and suddenly got 4 soft signals which turned out to be nickels at 4". I had used some really nice detectors before. This is why I believe the Compadre beats the Silver umax in some conditions.
 
Bill, in my experience (which is limited compared to some) the more discrimination I use on a machine, the less depth in detection I can expect (generally). I've read that this has to do with the fact that the more disc. we dial in, the more we are asking our detector to do i.e. we are asking it to work harder, and one of the results of this is less depth. With regard to marginal targets, my experience is that at any depth, a target which is on the verge of being discriminated out may give a signal which is either unclear or broken, or differs in some way from being "good". There may be a number of reasons for this. e.g. the soil or mixture of soils where we are detecting, fire ash buried where we are detecting or another target close by which is being totally discriminated out by the detector. This can happen at any depth, but the deeper you go, and the more soil there is between the coil and the target, the more chance there is that we will pass it by because it only signals in one direction, or tunes out etc. If a machine has pre set ground balance, or is not quite tuned to the soil properly,the more chance there is that we will pass by that good deep target...more so if we are using discrimination. Sometimes it is good to switch to all metal to see what the target sounds like in that mode...if it is still deep, but more solid, then there is a good chance it will be a good target.
 
All good posts. My point originally was in relation to I'm swinging the coil with little discrimination set, I get a response, THEN TURN UP the discrimination to try to determine if the target is likely a good one. The more the discrimination is raised, the less depth, so the impression may be of a junk target dropping out, rather than reduced depth on possibly a desirable target. It seems that the all metal "dig it all" folks are right if one doesn't want to miss anything.
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Yes Bill....also All Metal is useful for checking targets found in disc. mode. If I'm checking a target using disc. I may turn the disc. up, but usually down first, to see if the signal improves...then I may switch to all metal to check size & depth. HH
 
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