Finally got done with the se manual...I hate asking questions without at least reading the owners manual.... Well with that out of the way...my next goal is to run a series of air tests....one thing I can tell already...the se even with the smaller 8 inch ml coil I just got is giving deeper signals than the 9.5 stock coil on my dfx.... I am going to post my results in a few days...I have a feeling some on the Whites forums will not be happy! These tests will be honest and I have no reason to favor one detector over the other...because I now have both...I am just doing air tests at this point due to still having frozen ground here...my 2 hunts with the se up to now only produced a few dollars in clad...but of course I am still clueless to what this machine can do... I also requested a slight name change adding se to my screen name last week....guess progress can be slow...
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Its time to move on...dfx vs se...let the tests begin!
- Thread starter DFX-Gregg
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Gregg, be sure to play with the sens, get it up to fairly high with stability, most use manual but a few do very well with auto sens. I like audio 1 so much I use it full time, it's called long audio on the SE. Another option if conduct/ferrous sounds, well I am sure you have tried most of settings by now. If you use the digital screen remember the conduct numbers are more stable so pay more attention to them, I use smartfind screen myself. I bet you are ready to get out on a hunt when weather permits?
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Neil
Well-known member
Gregg I was wondering if you ever read the DFX book by Clive Clynick? I know his Sov/Excal books showed me a few tips that I never new and helped me get the most out of the Sov. Well worth the small amount of money and hey if your in an area you cant hunt right now because of weather, all the better for a good read. Also the DVD put out by Dankowski is good one, he has some good tests he performs that shows you how to correctly measure two machines against each other.
Ive got several detectors and the Explorer and Sov are the two best Ive ever seen at IDing correctly at depth. Also, the depth these two find things at are sometimes amazing at the beach, especially the small stuff that I find in the wet sand.
HH
Neil
Ive got several detectors and the Explorer and Sov are the two best Ive ever seen at IDing correctly at depth. Also, the depth these two find things at are sometimes amazing at the beach, especially the small stuff that I find in the wet sand.
HH
Neil
Neil
Well-known member
Steve good point about trying different sens settings. Ive been switching in and out of auto sens and trying various sens settings at the beach and so far have found the semi auto mode really quites the Explorer down and so far havent found a deep target in manual that I couldnt in semi auto.
I will have to give that audio 1 a try also, havent messed with that yet.
Ive also been experimenting with the gain setting and on the beach. I found the setting of 5 to low and 7 is about right. Any higher and the explorer falses a bit more it seems and at the lower setting of 5 deeper targets are a whisper, just to hard to hear above the wave noise.
HH
Neil
I will have to give that audio 1 a try also, havent messed with that yet.
Ive also been experimenting with the gain setting and on the beach. I found the setting of 5 to low and 7 is about right. Any higher and the explorer falses a bit more it seems and at the lower setting of 5 deeper targets are a whisper, just to hard to hear above the wave noise.
HH
Neil
Yes Steve I am ready hard to learn the se on frozen ground...two hunts producing only $2 in clad..., had over $35 in clad with dfx in a 6 day run in January, but I am sure when the ground softens up things will get better.... I might just start with general presets on the dfx and se and see the difference... I think the se stock coil is larger, also just purchased a 8" ML coil and will line that up against the 6 inch Eclipse (5.3) of the dfx. All I know is I waved a stapler at 12 inches in front of the 8 inch ML coil and got a reading and signal back without any adjusting! I just don't remember that happening with the dfx.... I really want to run some garden tests and take both out to forest preserve to see if they both read the same signals...
Larry (IL)
Well-known member
I think all of us on the White's DFX forum are happy for you Gregg. Owning two of the best detectors made is a dream come true for many. There are few, if any, educated users who will argue with you that the Explorer will go deeper and find targets in iron better than the DFX. That is a given. The FBS technology in the Explorer will give you good air tests very close to what you can expect in the ground. I can't say that is true for the DFX that needs the ground to balance and operate properly. Air tests with the DFX is only good for comparing the differences in coil selection and NOT depth. The DFX ALWAYS works better after a double ground balance. The Explorers are reading conductive and ferrous content of the targets and giving you a reading of the difference of the two. The DFX and other detectors are sensing the conductance of the target and comparing it to the conductance of the of the ground. That is why a ground balance is necessary for the DFX as a reference point.
I'm sure you will enjoy your SE as I do my XS. After getting used to your SE, you will find that both detectors will have a place and use in your arsenal of detectors.
Wow, my spelling is terrible this morning.(edits)
I'm sure you will enjoy your SE as I do my XS. After getting used to your SE, you will find that both detectors will have a place and use in your arsenal of detectors.
Wow, my spelling is terrible this morning.(edits)
Chris(SoCenWI)
Well-known member
Gregg,
Most of the finds made with the explorer series detectors were not that deep, but were masked by trash that prevented other detectors from seeing them. I think you'll find the same.
I saw all the clad you had dug last year; has to be alot of older coins in the same areas that got missed.
Chris
Most of the finds made with the explorer series detectors were not that deep, but were masked by trash that prevented other detectors from seeing them. I think you'll find the same.
I saw all the clad you had dug last year; has to be alot of older coins in the same areas that got missed.
Chris
[quote Larry (IL)]I....the Explorer will go deeper and find targets in iron better than the DFX.
Larry, I respectfully disagree with you on this emphasised point. It is too sweeping a statement and very 'non specific' regarding both the targets involved and frequency used for the DFX search mode..
It is unrealistic to compare the depth performance of two machines utilising DIFFERENT SIZED SEARCH HEADS?
Come on, be a little more fair and subjective.
I agree with most of your post.
Of course, the Explorer will find SOME targets deeper than the DFX, but not necessarily ALL targets.
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You say:-......The Explorers are reading conductive and ferrous content of the targets and giving you a reading of the difference of the two.
This comment needs some slight corrections:-
The Explorer is reading the target's conductivity and INDUCTIVE factor of the target, and giving you both factors ( not the difference).
The term 'ferrous' was a convenient one used by the non-technical advertising personnel, and obviously not really appropriate.
If you think about it, where is the the ferrous content in a silver dollar or 22 crt gold ring? Of course there isn't any, but the Explorer shows Fe 12. Con 14. for example. Which is acceptable for non technical convenience,as long as you don't interpret it too literally.
The true fact is that the figures relate to the frequency related phenomena called 'The skin effect'.
You also say:-.....The DFX and other detectors are sensing the conductance of the target and comparing it to the conductance of the of the ground. That is why a ground balance is necessary for the DFX as a reference point.
The DFX does not compare the conductance of the target with that of the ground.( I wonder where you derived that information from?)
Conductance figures are normally derived from the 'time' difference between the TX reference 'point', and the target's relative 'shift'.
The words 'time' and 'shift' are used for convenience rather than technical accuracy. The factors involved relate to the effect a target has on the subsequent advancement or delay (Phase shift), caused to the received target signal, when compared to the timing of the original transmitted signal.
(edits)[/quote]
If you are fortunate to own both the Explorer and the DFX, then you have a two of the best detectors (There are others). Each detector's advantages over the other, resides in your intelligent use of each one for the appropriate site conditions.
It is so easy on occasions, to fall into the forum mode of loose comments of over simplified comparisons.
We've all done it, one time or another, but given the chance to contemplate our responses then I think we can be a little more constructive and informative for the sake of those who may benefit from your usually helpful observations......Best regards...MattR.UK.
Larry, I respectfully disagree with you on this emphasised point. It is too sweeping a statement and very 'non specific' regarding both the targets involved and frequency used for the DFX search mode..
It is unrealistic to compare the depth performance of two machines utilising DIFFERENT SIZED SEARCH HEADS?
Come on, be a little more fair and subjective.
I agree with most of your post.
Of course, the Explorer will find SOME targets deeper than the DFX, but not necessarily ALL targets.
***********************************************
You say:-......The Explorers are reading conductive and ferrous content of the targets and giving you a reading of the difference of the two.
This comment needs some slight corrections:-
The Explorer is reading the target's conductivity and INDUCTIVE factor of the target, and giving you both factors ( not the difference).
The term 'ferrous' was a convenient one used by the non-technical advertising personnel, and obviously not really appropriate.
If you think about it, where is the the ferrous content in a silver dollar or 22 crt gold ring? Of course there isn't any, but the Explorer shows Fe 12. Con 14. for example. Which is acceptable for non technical convenience,as long as you don't interpret it too literally.
The true fact is that the figures relate to the frequency related phenomena called 'The skin effect'.
You also say:-.....The DFX and other detectors are sensing the conductance of the target and comparing it to the conductance of the of the ground. That is why a ground balance is necessary for the DFX as a reference point.
The DFX does not compare the conductance of the target with that of the ground.( I wonder where you derived that information from?)
Conductance figures are normally derived from the 'time' difference between the TX reference 'point', and the target's relative 'shift'.
The words 'time' and 'shift' are used for convenience rather than technical accuracy. The factors involved relate to the effect a target has on the subsequent advancement or delay (Phase shift), caused to the received target signal, when compared to the timing of the original transmitted signal.
(edits)[/quote]
If you are fortunate to own both the Explorer and the DFX, then you have a two of the best detectors (There are others). Each detector's advantages over the other, resides in your intelligent use of each one for the appropriate site conditions.
It is so easy on occasions, to fall into the forum mode of loose comments of over simplified comparisons.
We've all done it, one time or another, but given the chance to contemplate our responses then I think we can be a little more constructive and informative for the sake of those who may benefit from your usually helpful observations......Best regards...MattR.UK.
Thanks for the reply Chris...but with all that clad...I only dug 12 silver coins... I almost had as many gold rings...and twice as many silver rings! So I would just like to see some deeper and older items. People can say what they want...and have....but I tried the adjustments...I had replacement coils... I just believe some of the better targets were just beyond the depth I was getting on a regular basis from the dfx.... Only time will tell...and I do think I will dig less clad...
....because I am only going to report what I find...I go in knowing nothing about the SE...in fact just finished the manual...but I will comment on coil size...I can only run tests with the coils I have...so I will also put the 8" ML up against the stock Whites 950 as well as the 5.3 Eclipse and the Slimline against the 950...and the ml 8" against the 5.3...that is what I have right now.... Will conduct my tests this weekend garden tests in a few weeks... Obviously this is just for interest...why has no one lined this 2 detectors up and done this tests to the best of their ability
That is what I would like to know...very odd...I am hopeful my results by the end of the year will make others at least have a better idea what they are getting into when buying either detector and having never used it before.... As far as your Ferrous and non or low ferrous readings you can carry that debate out with Larry..............have fun and get out and hunt....
That is what I would like to know...very odd...I am hopeful my results by the end of the year will make others at least have a better idea what they are getting into when buying either detector and having never used it before.... As far as your Ferrous and non or low ferrous readings you can carry that debate out with Larry..............have fun and get out and hunt....Thanks Neil, being land-locked, I don't beach hunt much. The important thing is to find settings that works best for the individual. The gain setting is one that also needs some playing around with. The few times I have ventured out on a beach, I dug some alum bottle caps at amazing depths which my single freq detector at the time couldn't pick up in static mode. What I like about audio 1 is at times the lower conductors at deeper depths would only give a broken momentary low tone while in normal audio but with audio 1, I could get a lot better signal and I can tell more about the false signals but it is still remains a preference of the individual.
Larry (IL)
Well-known member
n/t
Well a few said all tests would be tainted because the coil sizes I was using were not exact...so my first test results I decided to give the dfx an advantage...or so I thought!
Well here goes...testing begins very simply with a cent, nickel, dime, half dollar and a silver dollar...results as follows... I want to make it clear these were just using no adjustments...factory preset coin program used for dfx. No adjustments...
Results in inches
dfx with stock (950) coil 1cent 6.5 nickel 6.0 dime 6.5 quarter 7.0 half dollar 7.0 dollar 7.0
Se with smaller 8" ML coil 1 cent 8.0 nickel 8.0 dime 7.0 quarter 8.0 half dollar 8.5
dollar 8.5
Well here goes...testing begins very simply with a cent, nickel, dime, half dollar and a silver dollar...results as follows... I want to make it clear these were just using no adjustments...factory preset coin program used for dfx. No adjustments...Results in inches
dfx with stock (950) coil 1cent 6.5 nickel 6.0 dime 6.5 quarter 7.0 half dollar 7.0 dollar 7.0
Se with smaller 8" ML coil 1 cent 8.0 nickel 8.0 dime 7.0 quarter 8.0 half dollar 8.5
dollar 8.5
Yes Greg, I was responding to Larry's post....I just hope in retrospect, that my reply didn't appear critical and offend a very courteous and friendly contributor whom I enjoy following.
I read all post with a keen interest, because there is so much talent out there, putting in more cumulative detecting hours than any one person could ever achieve.
Their experiences are all contributory to the bigger picture of how each brand of detector is perceived to perform. Sometimes the interpretation of functionality is subject to questioning, and I try to
provoke debate on such matters, but I'm sure I could do better in the way I broach such subjects. I get too engrossed in trying to be explicit, and it may come across as critical rather than informative.
I shall try and do better next time...................All the best to you, Larry and the forum members...........MattR.UK.
p.s. I'm slowly reading up on the American civil war, so that I can really get a better understanding of the circumstances an context of your relic finds....enjoying it, and just soak up the drama and politics of it all.
My dream is to visit the USA, and actually walk where the original pioneers bravely ventured. Their courage and fortitude is what has made your gregarious nation what it is....Great.
Your 'new world' and our 'old world' may differ at times, but when push comes to shove, then we are united.................Matt.
I read all post with a keen interest, because there is so much talent out there, putting in more cumulative detecting hours than any one person could ever achieve.
Their experiences are all contributory to the bigger picture of how each brand of detector is perceived to perform. Sometimes the interpretation of functionality is subject to questioning, and I try to
provoke debate on such matters, but I'm sure I could do better in the way I broach such subjects. I get too engrossed in trying to be explicit, and it may come across as critical rather than informative.
I shall try and do better next time...................All the best to you, Larry and the forum members...........MattR.UK.
p.s. I'm slowly reading up on the American civil war, so that I can really get a better understanding of the circumstances an context of your relic finds....enjoying it, and just soak up the drama and politics of it all.
My dream is to visit the USA, and actually walk where the original pioneers bravely ventured. Their courage and fortitude is what has made your gregarious nation what it is....Great.
Your 'new world' and our 'old world' may differ at times, but when push comes to shove, then we are united.................Matt.