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It is time to expand and try different coils for the Sov

JimmyCT

Well-known member
I recently acquired more search coils for the Sovereign. The first couple years I have been using the 10" and 8" tornado and with great success. However, after reading articles and reports of some of the other coils for the sov,I decided to pick up the S5, S12 and Coinsearch. Hopefully I will have the time to run these three coils through some rigorous in-field testing. I really look forward to taking the S5 to my "iron" park. This one section of this park is completely loaded with iron garbage. The only thing I can think of is this area was used for barbeque pits. From reports of the coinsearch, I really look forward to using this little baby in every location I currently hunt. The S-12, even though a large coil, I feel there are a couple places I can really utilize its size and depth. Stay tuned...
 
Jim give that coinsearch a try with sensitivity all the way turned down at some iron sites. Another thing I found with the coinsearch is you can go right up against a chainlink fence with it, turn the sens all the way down, put the coil perpendicular to the fence, let it balance or calm down, and it should be nice and quiet and work very well. lots of stuff is usually put along chainlink fences(like at beaches, parks) and most stay away from them. The coinsearch like any other coil is gonna react to the posts that hold the chainlink, but otherwise you should be able to work right up next to it. Ive found several gold and silver rings this way and lots of coins.
 
Jim that is a great coil collection with those you cant go wrong , iam crewing at the bit to get out and use my 8 inch coin search .You dont need any other coil those are the best . Good luck Jim
 
Nice picture of all those coils for size comparison. As I told you with the S-5, one of the reasons I sold it off is that I wasn't happy with what *seems* to me it's left/right separation was, but no doubt it'll outshine any coil larger than it's 5.5" size in terms of length wise separation. That alone could mean great finds with it.

Also, the mineralized brick test stacked 3 high I also did in the same nail masking video, where I'd kick one brick at a time off until a coil could finally see the dime underneath....All coils I've tested thus far (12x10, 10" Tornado, 13" Ultimate) couldn't see that dime with 3 bricks, but could see it with two, while the S-5 went down to 1 brick and still was having issues with the mineralization in it somewhat. Not a height issue either, because the S-5 air tests at 8.5" if I remember right on a dime. All coils were ran at full sensitivity and same settings in a low EMI environment and were stable due to that.

I'll be running the S-12 and 8" Tornado 800 coil through this same obstacle course sooner or later here to see how they do with it. Not the final answer when it comes to coils doing air tests, especially on a Minelab due to the unique nature in which they ignore (and thus need) a ground signal compared to other detectors, but just the same I like to do it to contrast against actual in field head to heads on undug targets to see if I can gain any more insight on their abilities. I used old red bricks, as many of them are mineralized (I test then to find out), where as newer ones seem to have less or none. I suspect many of these modern bricks might even be dyed red to look right, but are not made perhaps of the same material old red bricks often were.

Got the idea from one guy named Kieth Sutherland (sp?) who does extensive youtube testing on various machines and coils. Watched him test a 4x6 Whites coil and a SEF 8x6 on an MXT. Was shocked to see how with one red brick alone the 4x6 couldn't see the coin while the 8x6 was banging it much better. That guy has done some great work testing machines and coils and doesn't seem to have an ax to grind, having owned and used many machines over the years, so I trust his opinions with no particular motivations to drive them.

I'm just now starting to watch his testing of the Deeptech Vista units. Those machines are really starting to intrigue me with potential in certain situations (IE: low non-ferrous trash but with high iron present, and the potential for deep coins at such sites). Still going to contrast pin point mode on my GT to those units before deciding if I need to add one to my line up to sit along side my GT for certain specific situations.

Due to the lack of a VDI, only two tones on certain models, and discrimination that only goes as high as just above iron, I would not want to use one in a park. If they do go as deep as it looks, I wouldn't want to be digging a billion super deep holes on public land not knowing what I'm after. Could spell trouble in the wrong situation. I plan to use such a machine, or just PP mode on my GT if it's just as good (think it might be) in depth and such, at places like private fields or in the woods.

PLEASE keep us informed on your use of all these coils. I'm especially interested to hear your thoughts on both the depth and the left/right separations of the S-5 to your 7.25" Tornado. Also interested in hearing your thoughts on the 8" Coinsearch to the Tornado. If I'm not mistaken, you've got an old coin garden you made? Would LOVE to see a report on which coils hit what and at what depths in it. That might gain us some insight on just what does what in both depth and separation. Thanks again for any future field reports and such. Love reading this kind of stuff from people...
 
Jim,you're the typical Sovereign user have to see the results yourself.Let us know good or bad and your opinion of these different coils.Thanks for sharing HH Ron
 
nice arsenal...... nothing like the right tool for the job..... i only have 3 different coils for the gt but find each has its advantages and disadvantages depending where i am hunting.... happy hunting....
 
Hi Neil,
great tip thank you!


Neil said:
Jim give that coinsearch a try with sensitivity all the way turned down at some iron sites. Another thing I found with the coinsearch is you can go right up against a chainlink fence with it, turn the sens all the way down, put the coil perpendicular to the fence, let it balance or calm down, and it should be nice and quiet and work very well. lots of stuff is usually put along chainlink fences(like at beaches, parks) and most stay away from them. The coinsearch like any other coil is gonna react to the posts that hold the chainlink, but otherwise you should be able to work right up next to it. Ive found several gold and silver rings this way and lots of coins.
 
Hi Jim, this is Jim. I hear many great things about this coil and look forward to getting out in the Spring with this baby. Good luck on your next hunting trip - Jim

deepdiger60 said:
Jim that is a great coil collection with those you cant go wrong , iam crewing at the bit to get out and use my 8 inch coin search .You dont need any other coil those are the best . Good luck Jim
 
Hi Critter,
yes the guys name is keith Southern and have been watching the test(s) he has been performing with the DeepTech series. I do have a coin garden but I really want to get out in a place that I and many others have pounded and give that S5 a real in-world test. I have the perfect place to carry out this test and with the amount of iron from the old house that use to sit there, it will be THE challenge for this little coil. . This place is a complete nightmare to hunt even with the 8" tornado. Stay tuned....

Critterhunter said:
PLEASE keep us informed on your use of all these coils. I'm especially interested to hear your thoughts on both the depth and the left/right separations of the S-5 to your 7.25" Tornado. Also interested in hearing your thoughts on the 8" Coinsearch to the Tornado. If I'm not mistaken, you've got an old coin garden you made? Would LOVE to see a report on which coils hit what and at what depths in it. That might gain us some insight on just what does what in both depth and separation. Thanks again for any future field reports and such. Love reading this kind of stuff from people...
 
Thanks Ron. That is my plan this coming season. HH- Jim


Ron from Michigan said:
Jim,you're the typical Sovereign user have to see the results yourself.Let us know good or bad and your opinion of these different coils.Thanks for sharing HH Ron
 
Thanks Bootyhound. I agree - each coil does have its place and selecting the wrong coil can really "close" up an area or really expose what has been walked over. HH to you too - Jim

bootyhoundpa said:
nice arsenal...... nothing like the right tool for the job..... i only have 3 different coils for the gt but find each has its advantages and disadvantages depending where i am hunting.... happy hunting....
 
Hey EarthlyPotLuck...Been thinking...Might use some corruplast sign material to zip tie to the bottom of the 8" Tornado for hunting the woods so it won't grab onto branches and such and will slide more easy over the forest floor. Going to try it in the woods first to judge how bad it is at that before deciding. Didn't make it out today as I had hoped for a few hours to try it out. Too many odds and ends around the house I had to take care of. Shooting for tomorrow I hope to give it it's first spin.

That corruplast (sp?) material is the stuff some signs are made from that you see stuck (usually illegally) onto telephone poles and such. It looks like cardboard with the slight hints of "ribbing" on the surface, and when you look at the side of it you see air chambers just like cardboard. It's a very strong plastic material that you could never hope to rip with your bare hands. I've used it to make goose silhouette decoys for field waterfowl hunting.

Works great. I just stack them all on top of each other and then run a rope through a hole through all of them at the top of the body. Compact and not too heavy. Much easier when tromping through muddy crop fields than carrying a bunch of full body decoys. Throw it over my shoulder and off I go.

When I was making them I made various spray paint templates to quickly spray the black, grey, and white colors onto them so I was able to make two dozen in about an hour or so real quick. Very durable. I found a local banner supply store who sells sheets in 4x8 foot sizes for like $12, so two of those and I was in business. They even had those yard sign metal wire stands you stick in the ground so I picked those up for their "feet" to use in the field.

You can often find the stuff thrown out in dumpsters behind gas stations that use big sheets of the stuff for Pepsi signs and such. The sign shop/banner supply stores even have this stuff in different colors like black or grey, so I'd probably pick up a small sheet of it for doing a few coils from them so it'll look better. Painting it the desired color won't hold up to the durability factor for sliding a coil around on the ground I don't think, due to the slick surface of the material.

Either way, back to coils- I plan to melt the holes in the stuff for the zip ties since that will prevent ripping, although this stuff is very hard to tear even with a cut started on it, but just the same by melting the holes less chance of that. I figure I can zip tie a sheet to the bottom of the coil and then just cut off the zips when I don't need to use it on another hunt. The stuff is rather slick/smooth too so that should help with sliding over things.

I might even try this stuff on my 12x10 for woods hunting, although I've found this coil doesn't snag on branches as easily as the 10" Tornado. Only thing I can figure is that the gaps between the "spokes" on these SEF coils are less big than a round coil, so easier to bump and ride over the forest floor without snagging on things. Just the same I think using the corruplast will help matters even more.

PS- A friend and I use this stuff to make horizontal stabilizers or vertical fins for our RC electric planes sometimes. Heavier than EPS foam but when we want extreme durability in a design we'll use that stuff without the extra needed strength mods to keep foam from blowing apart in a crash.

Again, can't wait to read your field reports on the S-5 compared to the 8" Tornado and the Coinsearch coil. You better down play the S-5 though or I might be sorry I sold mine...:biggrin:
 
Great ideas CH.

A great source of "corraplast" is old real estate agents signs. I cut very small sheets and insert my fine circuit board drill bits into the holes and plug them with cut off nails. About 3/4" cut off 2 inch nails then slid into the corragation from each end. Write on it with a marker pen and toss it in the draw till next time. Easier than trying to pick a tiny drill up out of a tin or spilling them out of a jar.


Pete
 
Hey Critter that is a pretty cool idea! Soon as the snow melts and ground thaws out the seasonal field report will begin. Thanks for the coroplast idea. - Jim

Critterhunter said:
Hey EarthlyPotLuck...Been thinking...Might use some corruplast sign material to zip tie to the bottom of the 8" Tornado for hunting the woods so it won't grab onto branches and such and will slide more easy over the forest floor. Going to try it in the woods first to judge how bad it is at that before deciding.

Again, can't wait to read your field reports on the S-5 compared to the 8" Tornado and the Coinsearch coil. You better down play the S-5 though or I might be sorry I sold mine...:biggrin:
 
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