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Is there something wrong with my machine???

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I just got a used Tesoro Golden Sabre II. I used it a few times and notice I wasnt getting anything very deep so I did an air test ( I know its not the same as the ground )It would barely give a weak and shakey signal at 5" on a quarter and less than that on pennies and dimes. I used a bounty hunter tracker IV with that depth. Please tell me this machine is capable of more. Thanks in advance for the input. HH
 
I had two of the later GS II's and your results are consistent with what I got from both. They would barely airtest a quarter at 6 inches and a dime at 4 inches. The preset ground balance on the last one was way too positive for our mild ground and I thought that could be the problem, but setting the ground balance with the internal pot didn't make any noticable difference. Wish I could be more positive but it seem some GS II's were sadly lacking in the depth department.
JB
 
Your machine actually is capable of doing "more," but a lot of what constitutes "more" is quite relative depending on ground conditions and exactly how you're using the machine itself.
In general, back when the GSII came out, 5-6" was pretty much the envelope's edge for any land-use Tesoro that wasn't a Lobo. And this includes the Bandido II and Bandido II uMax, which is why anyone who hunts/hunted relics with one had to slap on the
turkey platter-sized 10x12 coil to get any noticeable improvement in performance over the stock 8" brown donut coil. And yet while my Sabre only gets *in general* 5-6" in good dirt, I'm still able to dig a sardine can out of a hole dug deep enough to swallow my arm up to my shoulder on a dry sand freshwater beach. So why's that? Aye, there's the rub, amigo. And your GSII, while costing a bit more than my Silver Sabre II (which I still have), doesn't go any "deeper" for more money. The original owner just paid more than me for more features, just like everyone still does today.
But here's the important thing I think you might be overlooking when it comes to the depth issue, even for a turn on and go (non-manual ground balance) machine: The condition(s) of the individual piece of ground you're hunting, your Disc, your Sens,
and your Threshold settings. Or even whether you're hunting in Disc or All metal mode. All of those things (with the exception of Threshold, but to a lesser yet not totally unimportant degree) work in unison with each other -- and to either your benefit or detriment at any given time. And I think this is something a lot of people either don't understand, don't know about, or take the time to try to understand. Hence the reason why your "Is there something wrong with my machine?" post not an unusual one to see in the forums. The interplay between Disc and Sens and Threshold is something for Monte to explain in a different post, since this one'll probably be long enough without me steering the train down that particular track for the benefit of those who never saw that sort of thing covered in their owner's manuals.
First of all, if you hunt in All Metal mode (which utilizes all your detector's power built into it by Tesoro), you'll find stuff
 
Scott.....you are THE MAN!! I retested the machine in all metal and ill be d****d if It didnt get 8" on that quarter...THATS 3" DIFFERENCE! I have been missing out. Thank you for all of your help.
 
I'll spare you the dissertation on the whys, but do your air test again this way if you haven't already:
1) Make sure your Threshold is set properly. You have a used machine, so it's entirely possible that the previous owner futzed around with it and stuck you with it out of whack. Go out in the yard WELL away from any metallic objects, switch you Sabre to All Metal mode, point your detector so the coil is straight out in front of you in the air, and turn that little white nubbin-knob (that's your Threshold set knob) one way or the other so you BARELY get a steady tone.
Then go back into the house and:
2) Crank down your Sens dial to about 5 or even lower -- play around with the lower settings a bit. Now do the air test in All Metal and see what happens. I'm not a techy guy, so I'm not sure whether Sens has any effect in All Metal, but try it just for grins just in case it does.
Feel the power, compadre <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=";)">
Scott
 
Do you have any recommendations on how to get more depth in disc? It would be a shame for me to have these bells and whistles and never using them by hunting in all metal. OH, why does the signal freak out when its in all metal and I move the notch disc knob? Thanks
 
Scott has certainly given you some fine advice.
Good to see you are on the right track because
I believe that the GSII is a fine detector. I
use one hunting sports fields where aluminum
trash seems to be everywhere. Here is how I know
most of the time if I have an aluminum tab or
aluminum trash under the coil. Set the GSII in
discriminate mode with disrim at #1, notch OFF
but set notch level at around #4. Now test a
aluminum tab or small piece of aluminum trash
while just moving that notch level control. This
will change the tone you hear. Lower tone below
the aluminum level and higher above it. But you
can set it very carefully right at the point where
the low and high tone meet. Once you do you will
certainly recognize that sound anytime you hear it.
Most times in the field you will hear it without
ever digging. I have dug such sounds for many hours
just to check it out and it works just great for me.
Yeah, I have those detectors Scott talks about with
all those bells and whistles but when I step onto
a sports field that has a lot of aluminum trash you
can bet that I will use the GSII and it gets the job
done. I have plenty of gold jewelry to prove it.
Good luck to you. Hope this works for you too if
you decide to give it a try. Gene
 
This hobby's full of trade-offs, and disc is one of them. Maybe someone Monte-like can give a more technical explanation, but the quick and dirty answer is the more you use, the more depth you lose. It's a built-in technological misfortune for a lot of (if not all, even) detectors which translates into we're screwed if we use it and we're screwed if we don't. Why any of us even bother with this friggin' hobby is beyond me <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=";)">
Your bells and whistles won't go to waste if you use them for the kind of hunting they were built and marketed for: Casual coinshooting in trashier general-purposes places like parks and schoolyards, and really, notch is pretty darn peachy for those who don't like to work too hard. Most stuff there is found well under 5", so disc really doesn't hurt much -- if at all -- in that sort of an environment, and as a general rule, casual coinshooters like to recover a lot of coins fast, so surface machines suit them fine enough. For deep coins and relics, well, let's just say there are machines better suited for that sort of hunting if you do or plan to do a lot of it -- and all of them, I might add, with their own individual set of annoyances large and small.
If you want to use your bells and whistles and still get some "additional depth," crank down your Sens just enough to keep your machine stable in your particular ground. Keep cranking it down until your detector seems to start giving you all sorts of odd audio responses, such as a lot of fast false signals while swinging the coil, making a sound like a little motorboat engine, etc. Many people like to hike the Sens all the way up, but most would be better suited -- and find more stuff -- by turning it down, just like you discovered.
Also, you don't necessarily have to hunt in All Metal. People who hunt all the time in All Metal are in the minority, I believe. I usually hunt with my Disc at just over 3 when I'm hunting for the deeper coins with my Silver Sabre II because I'll gladly sacrifice a little depth perception to not dig a lot of chunks of tin foil. Hunting with your Disc at just over 1 will knock out a lot of the little iron bits found in a lot of sites and still get you pretty close to what you'd get in All Metal. Then when you hit a good signal, thumb your Disc dial to see where the signal drops out. I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of the Golden's notch, so you may just be able to switch over to it to get a better idea of what the target might or might not be.
I dunno why your machine spazzes out when you play with the notch in All metal. Like I said, I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of notch, so maybe someone Monte-like could post the answer.
Scott
 
Notch Disc. control and the All Metal mode. That's a sort of blah answer, but that's the only answer. It happens due to the way it was designed.
Sort of like using the Disc. level on a Conquistador to touch up the Ground Balance in All Metal. There are all sorts of little oddities with various makes and models, and have been through the years? Why? Well, it's just the way they were designed. <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)">
<EM><STRONG>Monte
 
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