When I try to mention a MD site, I get a bunch of "crap" instead of the name. I have to separate the letters to get the point across. Is there any need for this? Is this a monopolized site for certain dealers or a free site for MD talk? Anyone with half a brain knows you can still get the message across. If dealers are in competition, their ethics and prices should be their foundation in sales and reputation. If censorship has to be used against the community, it would make the author of such antics seem unethical in free enterprise. Even the Tesoro Company site doesn't censor the words Garrett, Fisher, Minelab, etc. This, in my opinion, is unethical.
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Is there a censorship program on here?
- Thread starter Hightone
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Its a matter of helping the dealers that advertise with them. JMO
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The sponsors of this forum/site should obviously have top priority of having there names on here. Some other dealers dont sponsor this site. I dont have a good reason for why other dealers names shouldnt be mentioned, but IMHO the dealers that do sponsor it, probly would prefer other non-sponsors to not be mentioned. I know i posted a detector for sale on the Detector Pro forum and they deleted it, i realize i was stupid for doing that since obviously i was not a dealer/sponsor. HH yall!!
Robert
Robert
Phorum is written in php and most php boards have a censor field that is there for changing curse words. Type in the word you want to sensor and tell what you want it replaced with. I have two forums, one with multiple moderators so we don't use the censor option. Here it's used to censor dealers name that don't sponsor the forum. Whether or not you agree or disagree with those ethics, is up to you.
The truth may be that they don't want the link created, and rightly so, as the censor program doesn't distinguish between a link or typed in line. Also some non sponsoring dealer can use his business name and link as his signature. But without the .com after a name, it's not a link but name only, and that is being censored as well. I must say that I thought my post about this would be deleted, but it's nice to see that opinions are not censored as well.
Anyone buying a new detector knows that dealers all have the same discounted prices. The only dealer here that I have had any communication with is Ron at Dixie. He emailed me his list of cut rate prices of used, traded, etc. that I asked for. If someone on here asked about something that was on that list, I would mention the list and give the email address I was given. Sponsoring this forum gives you a nice big ad on the screen. I just don't think it should include locking out a dealer name written in a post unless the .com followed.
I had a post on here about a Lesche shovel and how good they were. After the positive response, I went to Dixie's site. No Lesche. Went to Backwoods. Not much info. These were the two banners I clicked on here. Finally went to Google. Found Brian. Ordered Lesche. So if someone comes here looking for a good place to by a Lesche, what do I do? Use a dealer here? Plus I wanted a Paypal dealer.
The truth may be that they don't want the link created, and rightly so, as the censor program doesn't distinguish between a link or typed in line. Also some non sponsoring dealer can use his business name and link as his signature. But without the .com after a name, it's not a link but name only, and that is being censored as well. I must say that I thought my post about this would be deleted, but it's nice to see that opinions are not censored as well.
Anyone buying a new detector knows that dealers all have the same discounted prices. The only dealer here that I have had any communication with is Ron at Dixie. He emailed me his list of cut rate prices of used, traded, etc. that I asked for. If someone on here asked about something that was on that list, I would mention the list and give the email address I was given. Sponsoring this forum gives you a nice big ad on the screen. I just don't think it should include locking out a dealer name written in a post unless the .com followed.
I had a post on here about a Lesche shovel and how good they were. After the positive response, I went to Dixie's site. No Lesche. Went to Backwoods. Not much info. These were the two banners I clicked on here. Finally went to Google. Found Brian. Ordered Lesche. So if someone comes here looking for a good place to by a Lesche, what do I do? Use a dealer here? Plus I wanted a Paypal dealer.
...just try saying something that is overtly "non-PC." Someone on the Garrett forum (who shall remain nameless), commented on illegal latino immigrants recently in a slangily offensive way... Something about their backs being soaked or wet or what have you. While it wasn't inflammatory, prejudicial or hateful, at least in my opinion, it was cut.
Looking back, it was cut for good reason. It ignited a firestorm of comments from the group that degraded into rascism and hate-mongering. There is little place for that on a specific forum. If that is what you want, there IS a forum for it here called "Views."
Much will be said over the fact that this is a public forum and anyone can view it. For example, your kid might be reading over your shoulder.
Or, since your log-in is 'cookied', that same innocent child might come on at any time. So things like cursing, flaming, overt sexual reference, bigotry and so on are monitored - and if needs be, censored.
Too, many adults dont like such behavior. They find it rude and immature and a distraction from what they came here for. They're right.
However, the initial comments here went to dealer/manufacturer sponsorship. Many have noted that this is a sponsored forum, as it must be if it is to be "free." Those advertisers who pay the tab have priority over those who do not. Is that fair? 100% YES. An open market exists only in the absence of sponsored/purchased advertising. That is not the case here.
If YOU were paying for advertising and found that someone had placed a competitors name, links and testimonials on your copy - what would you feel?
Over on the "generic" forums, ie, metal detecting, Aussie/Yank and others, an open market should exist. If it does NOT, then take it up with the mods. But, a forum named "Tesoro" is bound to be exclusive. Sorry about that.
NOTE: Someone pays for the VIEWS forum, too - which is devoted to decidedly NON-DETECTING topics. We ought to say thanks.
Finally, censorship must inevitably lead to the bigger question:
"Whose watching the watchers?"
If you are outraged by the minor censorship here, then you are too sensitive. You aint seen nothing! There is very little cliquishness and segregation here. It is quite ecelectic, in fact.
I have posted to one board in the past that seemed innocent enough, until I had a divergent opinion from the main. Even when well stated, I got warnings from the mods about fomenting hate and dissent. I was almost banned once for saying I respect the President and support him as my citizen duty. This was from a group that puts diapers on chickens and allows them in the house!
CAUTION: Psuedo-politic comments to follow
Those mods were overstepping their authority, plain and simple. Power to censor had gone to their heads and they were creating their own little nation of puppets, no matter how well intended they thought themselves to be. When I called them on it they fell back on the words of all petty-minded controllers:
"The people here are not capable of policing themselves. Only we know what is right and proper, so we will handle it for your own good."
Sounds like a speech from some of our modern day liberals, eh? Truly, Fascism knows no limits and can exist anywhere.
Fortunately, the mods HERE only ask that you be considerate and clean-mouthed. It is rare that they censor, and even then it is for overt breaches. Power has not gone to their heads yet.
Looking back, it was cut for good reason. It ignited a firestorm of comments from the group that degraded into rascism and hate-mongering. There is little place for that on a specific forum. If that is what you want, there IS a forum for it here called "Views."
Much will be said over the fact that this is a public forum and anyone can view it. For example, your kid might be reading over your shoulder.
Or, since your log-in is 'cookied', that same innocent child might come on at any time. So things like cursing, flaming, overt sexual reference, bigotry and so on are monitored - and if needs be, censored.
Too, many adults dont like such behavior. They find it rude and immature and a distraction from what they came here for. They're right.
However, the initial comments here went to dealer/manufacturer sponsorship. Many have noted that this is a sponsored forum, as it must be if it is to be "free." Those advertisers who pay the tab have priority over those who do not. Is that fair? 100% YES. An open market exists only in the absence of sponsored/purchased advertising. That is not the case here.
If YOU were paying for advertising and found that someone had placed a competitors name, links and testimonials on your copy - what would you feel?
Over on the "generic" forums, ie, metal detecting, Aussie/Yank and others, an open market should exist. If it does NOT, then take it up with the mods. But, a forum named "Tesoro" is bound to be exclusive. Sorry about that.
NOTE: Someone pays for the VIEWS forum, too - which is devoted to decidedly NON-DETECTING topics. We ought to say thanks.
Finally, censorship must inevitably lead to the bigger question:
"Whose watching the watchers?"
If you are outraged by the minor censorship here, then you are too sensitive. You aint seen nothing! There is very little cliquishness and segregation here. It is quite ecelectic, in fact.
I have posted to one board in the past that seemed innocent enough, until I had a divergent opinion from the main. Even when well stated, I got warnings from the mods about fomenting hate and dissent. I was almost banned once for saying I respect the President and support him as my citizen duty. This was from a group that puts diapers on chickens and allows them in the house!
CAUTION: Psuedo-politic comments to follow
Those mods were overstepping their authority, plain and simple. Power to censor had gone to their heads and they were creating their own little nation of puppets, no matter how well intended they thought themselves to be. When I called them on it they fell back on the words of all petty-minded controllers:
"The people here are not capable of policing themselves. Only we know what is right and proper, so we will handle it for your own good."
Sounds like a speech from some of our modern day liberals, eh? Truly, Fascism knows no limits and can exist anywhere.
Fortunately, the mods HERE only ask that you be considerate and clean-mouthed. It is rare that they censor, and even then it is for overt breaches. Power has not gone to their heads yet.
Davhut said:If YOU were paying for advertising and found that someone had placed a competitors name, links and testimonials on your copy - what would you feel?
On a copy, or response to a question? The forum is a place of communications. Whether that means advertising, Q&A, or just plain chit-chat, the poster is relaying his opinions and/or experiences. To censor words or terms that are offensive to the general public is how we dictate our taboo's. But when you censor a "name", you are creating a monopolized community. Justifying who advertises here is one thing, but dictating what can be said on an open forum is monopolistic, if it is not offensive to the general audience.
Now here is a question for you. What if the sites that are able to be displayed receive a lot of negative feedback or become targets of mudslinging? And what if the person giving the negative feed back is justified? Do you censor the name on the specific post? Or delete it? Or let it remain?
On television, there may be a product advertised. Then there may be a special news report of how dangerous or how how this product will not work. Do we censor the news report because the advertiser paid good money to sell their wares?
Censorship has it's place, but just like the mods example you gave, it can be taken to limits dictating where us puppets can purchase products.
We could really semantic this whole thing to death and that is usually what happens, especially when dealing with bombastic types like you and I. A little learning is a dangerous thing. Couple that with a sense of righteous indignation and you have created a bomb!
You did make a few telling statements:
But when you censor a "name", you are creating a monopolized community. Justifying who advertises here is one thing, but dictating what can be said on an open forum is monopolistic, if it is not offensive to the general audience.
I think perhaps you have missed something - these are not "open forums," much as we would like to think so.
They are screened, moderated and adjusted if need be for a braod audience. Thats not open.
You want it to be "free"; that I understand. But it isn't so...sorry.
You once said in this thread that (sic) "even Tesoro doesn't cut out other makers names..." That's their choice, since they pay for their own website and the forums found there.
Good service and quality products are your ethical cornerstones for good business practice. I, for one, appreciate that.
What if the sites that are able to be displayed receive a lot of negative feedback or become targets of mudslinging? And what if the person giving the negative feed back is justified? Do you censor the name on the specific post? Or delete it? Or let it remain?
You MOVE it to an appropriate feedback area and leave a link to it. Which, I might add, is graciously provided for in the Feedback forum. Guys like you and I, we like to think we have something new and unique because we breathe, eat and think of things. Not usually - these mods have been down the road before we came along.
Scarecrow: "I haven't got a brain... only straw."
Dorothy: "How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?"
Scarecrow: "I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?"
Dorothy: "Yes, I guess you're right."
~ From the film, "The Wizard of Oz "
On television, there may be a product advertised. Then there may be a special news report of how dangerous or how how this product will not work. Do we censor the news report because the advertiser paid good money to sell their wares?
You answered your own question. The advertiser paid for his advertising - thats where it ends for him. If his product is faulty or dangerous, that is his NEW problem if someone tattles on him in a report.
One might ask if he should now thank someone, though, since in essence he got FREE advertising from them - albeit negative at the outset.
If he's smart, he'll make the needed changes, tell everyone he's sorry and got it wrong, but now he has responded and things are better for everyone. People succeed with that approach all the time - just look at Bill Clinton. When life hands you lemons, make lemonade...
Censorship has it's place, but just like the mods example you gave, it can be taken to limits dictating where us puppets can purchase products.
Agreed. C.S. Lewis is quoted as once saying:
You did make a few telling statements:
But when you censor a "name", you are creating a monopolized community. Justifying who advertises here is one thing, but dictating what can be said on an open forum is monopolistic, if it is not offensive to the general audience.
I think perhaps you have missed something - these are not "open forums," much as we would like to think so.
They are screened, moderated and adjusted if need be for a braod audience. Thats not open.
You want it to be "free"; that I understand. But it isn't so...sorry.
You once said in this thread that (sic) "even Tesoro doesn't cut out other makers names..." That's their choice, since they pay for their own website and the forums found there.
Good service and quality products are your ethical cornerstones for good business practice. I, for one, appreciate that.
What if the sites that are able to be displayed receive a lot of negative feedback or become targets of mudslinging? And what if the person giving the negative feed back is justified? Do you censor the name on the specific post? Or delete it? Or let it remain?
You MOVE it to an appropriate feedback area and leave a link to it. Which, I might add, is graciously provided for in the Feedback forum. Guys like you and I, we like to think we have something new and unique because we breathe, eat and think of things. Not usually - these mods have been down the road before we came along.
Scarecrow: "I haven't got a brain... only straw."
Dorothy: "How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?"
Scarecrow: "I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?"
Dorothy: "Yes, I guess you're right."
~ From the film, "The Wizard of Oz "
On television, there may be a product advertised. Then there may be a special news report of how dangerous or how how this product will not work. Do we censor the news report because the advertiser paid good money to sell their wares?
You answered your own question. The advertiser paid for his advertising - thats where it ends for him. If his product is faulty or dangerous, that is his NEW problem if someone tattles on him in a report.
One might ask if he should now thank someone, though, since in essence he got FREE advertising from them - albeit negative at the outset.
If he's smart, he'll make the needed changes, tell everyone he's sorry and got it wrong, but now he has responded and things are better for everyone. People succeed with that approach all the time - just look at Bill Clinton. When life hands you lemons, make lemonade...
Censorship has it's place, but just like the mods example you gave, it can be taken to limits dictating where us puppets can purchase products.
Agreed. C.S. Lewis is quoted as once saying:
We are all tired of reading Field tests of products that don't measure up. If you or I are considering a machine to purchase and we want to really know how it performs, a field test is not the place to go. Not to say they do not serve a purpose. You will be informed of the machines features and general operating principles. The rest of the story is usually where the writer earns his fee by highlighting the good points and ignoring the not so good points.This has been the case if you are looking for a New Hunting Rifle or a New Dirt Bike. Where is all this going......After reading the Field Test and still not knowing if this machine is for you where do we go. Enter the Forum where we can get first hand accounts from our fellow Diggers. Does the machine do or not do specific things. Honestly how is it built? How is the service and support? Where is the best buy? The list goes on and the answers can be found RIGHT HERE, ON THIS AND LIKE FORUMS. Please don't take that away from us. Just my 2cents worth.
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3. Some that posters seem to have more creditability
than others.
4. Some that posters seem to have more knowledge than
others.
5. The trick is to digest it all and come up with
your own answers.
Heh. Pretty amusing:
You imply that a potentially controversial, political or social commentary is better expressed on the 'Views' forum yet you end the post with a negative zing at "liberals", equating "liberals" with fascism.
Hmmmmm....
Sounds like a speech from some of our modern day liberals, eh? Truly, Fascism knows no limits and can exist anywhere.
You imply that a potentially controversial, political or social commentary is better expressed on the 'Views' forum yet you end the post with a negative zing at "liberals", equating "liberals" with fascism.
Hmmmmm....
Agreed, I slipped in a zinger. A momentary hypocracy, if you like - It happens to the best of us.
Note however, that there was a warning prior to it, it wasnt a gripe or whine but a personal observation and as such it wasn'y offensively done. Note, too, that by virtue of these things it remined in post and wasnt cut.
I agree with hightone...time to move on.
Note however, that there was a warning prior to it, it wasnt a gripe or whine but a personal observation and as such it wasn'y offensively done. Note, too, that by virtue of these things it remined in post and wasnt cut.
I agree with hightone...time to move on.