is the vaquero just as fast or faster than compadre in iron?

[Goes4ever]

I use my compadre in farm fields where iron is super heavy, and its speed of recovery in intense iron amazes me, but I'd like a little more depth and wonder if maybe the vaquero is what I need for relic hunting, but also affordable.......give me your opinions

 

[kansa54]

I have never used the compadre but I know that the vaquero works great in iron infested farm fields. I don't think you would be disappointed in its performance.

 

[ToneTime]

The outlaw is hard to beat when working in a lot of iron and will get you better depth than your compadre. If your looking for even more depth then the vaquero would work however once you start to crank it up I have noticed that the discrimination in the iron starts to suffer. In my ground working in iron I can get just as good performance from the outlaw while running smoothly compared to running the vaquero at normal tune. The vaquero does hit better on nickels though. In the more open areas where targets are spaced out the vaquero and Tejon would be the choice.

 

[kansa54]

In a field loaded with iron, I don't even think about the depth I am getting. I just get the coins I can and wait for the farmer to work the ground and move things around.
Like tone time said, if you crank the sensitivity up to try gaining some depth, you will hit on a lot more iron.

 

[Goes4ever]

In a field loaded with iron, I don't even think about the depth I am getting. I just get the coins I can and wait for the farmer to work the ground and move things around.
Like tone time said, if you crank the sensitivity up to try gaining some depth, you will hit on a lot more iron.

farmers here have been no till for many years now.....it is rare to see anything get tilled at all

 

[tabman]

Yep, the Outlaw is hard to beat when working in iron laden sites, but the Vaquero isn't bad either if you keep the threshold set at a slight hum and back off the sensitivity.

tabman

 

[kansa54]

In a field loaded with iron, I don't even think about the depth I am getting. I just get the coins I can and wait for the farmer to work the ground and move things around.
Like tone time said, if you crank the sensitivity up to try gaining some depth, you will hit on a lot more iron.

farmers here have been no till for many years now.....it is rare to see anything get tilled at all

Yea, that makes it tough. I use to find hundreds of Indian artifacts back when they still plowed or deep chiseled the ground. Not anymore, but the farmers here still work the ground enough to move the iron around. No way would I ever try to remove all the iron on some of these sites that are masking the good targets. Just way too much.

 

[Goes4ever]

Yep, the Outlaw is hard to beat when working in iron laden sites, but the Vaquero isn't bad either if you keep the threshold set at a slight hum and back off the sensitivity.

tabman

so Tabman, would you recommend the outlaw OVER the vaquero for iron laden fields?

 

[square_nail]

I don't have any experience with the Outlaw, but the Vaquero is great in the heavy iron, especially with the 5.75 concentric coil.

 

[Monte]

All too often we read about or hear talked about the "quick response" and "fast recovery" performance of a detection but that doesn't really make it work well in very littered sites where we want to reject some trash. I know of and have owned and used several "quick-response/fast-recovery" detectors that can work quite well for typical Coin Hunting, and even serve you reasonably well for some Relic Hunting as long as there is not a lot of Discrimination used.

You can lay five or six coins on the ground kind of close to each other and pick them each up with a detector such as a Teknetics Euro-Tek Pro or Omega with a quick-response and recovery to hit on the next close-by coin. However, if you add a trash target into the close mix of coins, there could be some problems because, if the junk target is rejected the circuitry design doesn't process the rejected target well enough and recover from Discrimination to be able to respond in a quick manner.

My personal selection of detectors in my arsenal ALL have very good circuitry to Discriminate and recover and still produce a quick-response and fast-recovery on closely-positioned good targets in rejected junk. Iron nails, the biggest trash offender out there, in my opinion, is all that I discriminate. I use my Nail Board Performance Test to evaluate any make and model detector, and I have always relied on a favorite Tesoro detector model to set the example by which I compare all other makes and models.

Almost all of the Tesoro Discriminators provide a quick-response and fast recovery, and they also have great analog-based Discrimination that allows them to excel against most of the competition. There are some subtle differences in Tesoro's models with some being a bit 'noisier' and not reject iron quite as cleanly as other Tesoro models. I found the Vaquero one of several that are a bit noisier when trying to reject iron. I would suggest you consider other Tesoro models, and not necessarily a currently-made model, either.

I use my compadre in farm fields where iron is super heavy, and its speed of recovery in intense iron amazes me,

Yes, the Compadre, like other Tesoro's and a handful of competitor's models do handle iron well and provide a nice quick-response/fast-recovery when processing the Discriminated iron. Which search coil are you using on your Compadre?

I trust you are only relying on the circuitry 'speed' in recovery in iron and not referring to the speed of your coil sweep. Hunting in any trashy environment calls for a slower, more methodical sweep speed. Also the use of smaller-size search coils can be beneficial in very densely littered sites.

... but I'd like a little more depth ...

As some others have mentioned, 'depth' is not easily achieved when there are a lot of targets, especially somewhat shallower than desired targets. The only way to guarantee increased depth of detection is to remove the masking junk at a site. If there is just an overwhelming amount of junk, then all you can do is use the best detector and coils for the task at hand, work slowly and patiently, and grid off sections so you'll better cover a location.

... and wonder if maybe the vaquero is what I need for relic hunting, but also affordable.......give me your opinions

The Vaquero might work, I'm sure, but it's not the model I would pick. I don't care for the mode change design, and I've found it to be a bit 'ticky' or 'noisy' in iron trash. Of Tesoro's current offerings I would pick the Outlaw, and I would use the 8" on more open areas, but limit my search coil selection for regular duty to the 5¾" Concentric or 7" Concentric.

I have concentrated on iron infested locations since '83, and also since that time have used a 7" Concentric on my Tesoro models at least 98% of the time. The 7" Concentric is what currently works on the far-end of my Bandido II µMAX. I'd suggest shopping for a good Tesoro, even if an older model, that still as ED-120 Discrimination and manual Ground Balance.

Recover some iron trash and that will help, but going to a larger search coil will usually lead to more good-target masking, and abundant iron trash will impede any potential depth increase.

Monte

 

[tabman]

Yep, the Outlaw is hard to beat when working in iron laden sites, but the Vaquero isn't bad either if you keep the threshold set at a slight hum and back off the sensitivity.

tabman

so Tabman, would you recommend the outlaw OVER the vaquero for iron laden fields?

Both can handle the iron, but the Outlaw does a better job. My Vaquero gets better depth and handles EMI better at a lot of sites that I hunt, but at some sites the Outlaw can't be beat. That's why I have both. The Outlaw is a great detector, you just have to remember that the 'de-tune' button 'de-tunes' both the discriminate and all metal mode. Some people never could figure that out.

tabman