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Is it possible to built a homemade Coil for the c-Scope PI

23fly

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I`m very interested in deepseeking, so my question about selfmade stuff for the PI machine from C-Scope is the following:

is it possible to built a homemade wire coil to get deeper/bigger treasure? Every other PI machine could be fitted by a 1meter x1meter frame...
If possible, please tell me how to do...? Thank you in advance

Michael
 
Hi Michael,

Yes, you could build a coil for the C Scope PI and it shouldn't be that hard. Now, I don't know the inductance of the coils on the newer models, but the older ones such as the CS 6PI had a 1 mh coil.

You could build a larger coil but there is a point where a larger coil will not help much . Remember, the C Scope PI is a low powered unit so using a larger coil is going to make the field even weaker. So, you may not really see much of a depth increase.

Some time back I build a larger coil for a different low powered detector and the results were, there wasn't much of a gain if any. People anticipate a larger coil will make a big difference in depth capability when in fact, that may not be the case at all. In many cases, a larger coil does have an advantage of covering a wider area but will do so while picking up more external noise since the larger coil as much like a larger antenna.

So, there are drawbacks and limitations. On the bright side, the cost of building a larger coil isn't that great if you can come up with a cheap housing.

As for instructions, you can probably find all that you need to know over on the Geotech forum. Here is a link to that forum.

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/

I would start by reading various information on the coils threads to begin with.

Reg
 
Hi Bence,

You might want to follow the same link to find out more about building a coil for the Infinium. I have never tried to build one but have read that the coils for this detector are more complex and more difficult than a typical PI coil. In any case, there is some info over on the Geotech forum that might help.

Reg
 
Reg

Because the cs6pi is a low power unit, would you be better to build a smaller coil like maybe a 5". would that maybe give you a little more sensitivity at the cost of a little depth?

Thanks
 
Hi Turtleman,

One could build a smaller coil to make pinpointing easier, but there will be a depth loss as you mentioned. One other advantage of a smaller coil is target separation so a person could easier find a single object next to another.

Now, when I mentioned that it might be the best idea of trying to build a larger coil, that doesn't mean one shouldn't try just to see what happens. The nice thing is it doesn't cost a lot of money to build a coil. Also, if a coil is built but not put in a housing, then the cost is less. So, a person could build a larger coil, attach it to something like a thin piece of board for quick and simple testing just to see what will happen.

I suspect one could build a larger coil than the factory coil and gain depth. However, there will be a size where there will be diminishing returns. Right now, I am not sure just what that size is, so I don't want to discourage anyone from trying, but do want people to think about maybe increasing the size in increments rather than simply picking some very large value to begin with and find it doesn't do what one might expect.

The signal strength of a target that is amplified is the result of the coil field, the distance from the coil and a few other factors. Now, the target signal will increase or decrease with the field strength of the coil. The field strength as measured at any point will be influenced by the current in the coil and the coil diameter. Increase the diameter and the actual field strength affecting a target signal will reduce accordingly.

Some pictures of the field strength sort of depict something like arrows pointing out of the coil. Now, if we use that analogy and assume there are 100 arrows coming out of a coil, regardless of size, then logic says that any smaller coil has a better chance of more arrows intersecting a target than if the coil is large. On a large coil the arrows are displaced farther from each other, so the possibility of fewer arrows hitting the same size target is a fact that will occur.

This is why the general discussion about increasing coil size normally states, one can detect deeper but only for much larger objects.

Another way of sort of looking at this low power high power thing is to think of something as simple as a flashlight. Now, use a flashlight with a half dozen batteries and a penlight flashlight and shine both into the darkness. Obviously, the one with the greatest number of batteries will shine the farthest indicating that the more energy in the greater the distance out. This is an over simplification of what is happening but it does help to better understand why a higher powered unit will do better.

Getting back to building coils, the best way to really determine just what advantage or lack of advantage will occur is to simply build one and see.

My mentioning what I did in my earlier post is to sort of forewarn people that they may not be as happy as they might think with the results of a much larger coil.

Regardless, people with the ambition and desire should, by all means, try things to see what really happens. That is how we learn.

Reg

PS; One thing I forgot to mention is the fact that it is harder to make a larger coil that will operate at the lower delay settings. So, if a person does build a larger coil and it doesn't seem to work right, you might increase the delay a little at a time. If a longer delay is required, there will be a point where the coil will suddenly begin to work just fine.
 
Hi Michael,I agree with Reg on this,on deminishing returns.
Ive experiment on many coil variation on the low power cscope Pi detectors like the CS6 etc.
they got a low powered Mosfet like IRFD113 variety,not a lot of Guts for output.eg 110-120 irfd Mosfet,4 pin device. Think CS4Pi is similar?
Now Ive applied all the known mods an advice from Reg an BB Sailor from the past to several CScope CS6.
Ive had Pro custom built Fast coils,Home built fast coils ,Home built small coils 4inch to yes a 2 foot(600 +) coils ,all mono to test on these Cscope units.
Overall poor result from most. No more depth or sensitivity,Less!
Best results from a Pro built Fast Mono,sub 8 inches eliptical.an 6inch fast mono. No larger sizes,Sorry!
Try as you will,think it is a waste of time ,from my experience. regards!
ocean
 
Hi guys,

Here is something else to keep in mind. The low powered units generally have a much shorter pulse on time than that found on the higher powered units. Now, this will also have an effect in the fact that a short pulse time works best for smaller items such as small gold. Nickel size objects or ring size or smaller objects seem to be the best targets.

Increase the size of the object and it will take a longer pulse on time to fully energize the object. This may not happen with a low powered device. So, increasing the coil size sort of compounds this condition.

One can increase the pulse on time on a detector such as the CS 6 PI by increasing the delay, but this doesn't hold true on all low powered units. Even with increasing the delay, there may not be enough pulse on time for maximum detection of larger objects.

The bottom line is, this trying to increase the depth capabilities of a detector is really more complicated than one realizes. It does pay to know as much about the detector as possible for the best results.

Reg
 
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