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Input Please. I've Narrowed it down to the 5.3 eclipse coil or the eclipse 4x6 shooter

MontanaMatt

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:detecting: Hello again everyone. Got another quick question for you experienced hunters out there or anyone with an opinion on these two coils. For real trashy areas such as heavily used parks and really old school grounds I've narrowed my decision down to the Eclipse 5.3 or the Eclipse 4x6. To be honest with you I really don't know whether to get the round (concentric?) or the DD patterned coil. I want the best target separation and decent depth of the two. Which coil design pattern do you think is going to work best for my main detection method of coin-shooting? Any input is greatly appreciated!! I've only been detecting for two months, yet wanted to post a photo up of my best coins so far. Thanks!
 
Absolute best seperation is the mini-shooter.... because of the DD configuration, it "sees"
in a straight line front to back.... I have used this coil in areas that were "hunted out" with
concentric coils and if you take your time, it a virgin site all over... As to depth, I think the
5.3 may be a little deeper but I would be willing to make that sacrifice.... Richardntn
 
I am not a fan of the little 'Shooter' DD coil from White's, but that's because the ones I have owned and tested didn't do all that well in depth for me. yes, they did 'OK' when it came to picking through the trash, but I found the 5" DD EXCelerator to do even better, and match or better the mini Shooter in depth.

The 5.3 Eclipse coil, even though an internal concentric design, gets much better depth and the trash-handling is almost as good as the Shooter. I prefer the trade-off of better depth between the two, and if I was to select a factory-produced coil, it would be the 5.3 Eclipse.

Monte
 
Thanks for the info guys. I've taken some advice from to just read old posts that have already covered this topic. So my apologies to you veteran MD's if you get burnt out on answering the same questions.
 
As for target separation, the 6x4 Shooter does a notably better job in highly trashy sites then does the 5.3. The reason has to do with the "window" of detectable area. Concentric coils, such as the 5.3, project a cone-shaped field into the ground, which is originally slightly smaller then the diameter of the coil, and progressively narrowing at depth. The so-called "double D," or "DD" coils, have a thin strip of detectable area running the length of the coil, so thus DD coils "see" MUCH less ground at any given time then does a comparably-sized concentric. This results in FAR better target separation in highly trashy areas. As to depth, at the SAME gain setting the 5.3 will get 10-15% greater depth then would the 6x4, in the VERY CENTER of the detectable field. But, AT DEPTH, DD coils scan a wider area then would a comparably-sized concetric coil. For instance, the 6x4 DD is really 6.75 inches long, and 3.5 inches wide. On dimes buried at 6" depth, the Shooter has about a 5 inch wide "footprint," whereas the 5.3 has about a 3" footprint. This is why it is always recommned that you overlap your sweeps with concentrics by 50% in order not to miss deep targets. Thus, "at depth," tthe 6x4 is really scanning more dirt, and does not require as much overlapping, as does the 5.3. Now, when it comes to that 10-15% greater depth, at the same gain setting, in mighly mineralized soil you MIGHT be able to use a higher gain setting with the DD, and thus get back the "lost" depth; indeed, you might even exceed it. In my soil, which is highly mineralized, I get as much in-ground depth with the 10x6 DD as I do with the 950, due to being able you use higher gain with the 10x6. Likewise, I get the same depth with the 6x4, with higher gain, then I do with the 5.3. My local White's dealer reports that MXT buyers opt for the 10x6 or 6x4 about FIFTY TIMES more often then they do for the 5.3. But, both the 5.3 and 6x4 are great coils, and each has a loyal following. Frankly, the only way YOU are going to know which one YOU like better is to try them both out. Hope this helps; HH jim
 
Gotta to agree with you Jim.

I tried both the 5.3 and the 4X6. The DD has much better separation and I didn't really see a depth difference between them under actual field use. I attribute it to the "cone" vs "windshield wiper" footprint.

Another big decider for me: with the 4X6 I could approach a chain link fence a lot closer than I could with the 5.3.
 
Hi Jim,

You made some specific points for which, although minor, I have data that is contradictory and you may find of interest.

<strong>"The so-called "double D," or "DD" coils, have a thin strip of detectable area running the length of the coil
 
I would think that a small footprint for a small coil is the whole point of using a small coil. If I am hunting in a trashy area, I want a very small footprint. I purchased the 5.3 Eclipse a while back, and since I have had it, it is used on my MXT about 95% of the time. I love it! I like how it is round and goes through brush well. It gets good depth and separates trash very well. I believe that if someone wants a larger footprint, maybe thry should consider a larger coil. But, that
 
bust those myths about DD vs Concentric coils. As a user of both I agree with your analysis!

Good job Jeff! :thumbup:

Tom
 
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