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Indiana towns that are off limits

no-cents

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I tried detecting in Bluffton but was chased off by the parks dept. I searched the city and park's dept. websites before going and found no ordinance or rules against detecting but was asked to leave anyway.

Thought we could make a list of towns in Indiana (or other states) that don't allow detecting. Might really help some people out and keep us out of trouble.

**Let's answer honestly** Please don't say a town if off limits just because it's 'your' hunting ground.
 
All Union County parks are off limits. It is unfortunate because the county parks are really big and old. City parks and town parks in Union County are OK to search.
 
no-cents, it is true that just because a town doesn't have a specific rule saying specifically "no metal detectors", that someone might not still get their panties in a wad, (because they think you'll leave a mess, or harm the earthworms, or something else they morph to apply to you). Still though, the vast majority of towns that have "no specific rules" (which is most every town, by the way), you will go un-noticed and un-bothered, so long as you're not a nuisance in some other way, or haven't used "due discretion" of going at low traffic times. Because, sure, if you go at high noon, waltzing over beach-blankets, in the middle of an archie convention, then sure, even places with "no restrictions", you can still find a kill-joy. Solution? Avoid all such kill-joys. Go at low traffic times when the parks dept is not tending that park that day. I mean, "why kick a hornet's nest"?

But I wanted to respond to the notion that since you got booted, that therefore, that town's parks are "off-limits". I would not be so fast to conclude that. Because if, as you say, there is no specific verbage saying such a thing, then you could merely have been at the whims of a gardener having a bad day. Or because Miss nosy-parker called in to the cops that "there's a man with a knife swinging a geiger counter here" (so the cop is "duty-bound" to keep miss nosy neighbor happy).

What I'm trying to say is, I can think of LOTS of cities where an isolated incident like that happens here, or there, but never amounted to anything thereafter.

For example: When I first got into this hobby (the mid 1970s), the friend who got me into this, told me at that time, that "such and such city is off-limits" (a town about 30 minutes away from us). I had no reason to question him, since .... afterall ... he was my mentor, and what did I know? Flash forward to the early 1980s, and some new friends in the hobby I had, were coming in to the club meeting with old silver coins to show off. Eventually, I got their trust up, and they confided in me which park was their current stomping grounds. It was in that city that, years earlier, my other friend had said was "off-limits". But apparently my friends weren't having any problems, so I joined them, and got my share of old coins too from there. Never-the-less, it was always in the back of my mind "I thought this city was off-limits", so I always kept a wary eye out for anyone who might say something to us. Nothing ever was said, and we hunted it dozens upon dozens of times over the next year or two.

The flash forward to the early1990s, and I was talking to my older friend who had gotten me into detecting back in the 1970s. My curiousity got the better of me, so I asked him "who told you that such & such city was off-limits?". He had to think a few minutes, to recollect, because he couldn't even remember saying that. But then he remembered that it was his brother (who had been into detecting since the 1960s) that had told him that, so he was merely passing that info. on to me. Well later on, I had the opportunity to talk to that older brother, and asked him the same question "who told you such & such city was off-lmits?" And he too had to stop and think and try to remember. Eventually he recalled that back in the early 1970s, he'd been detecting a school-yard in that town. An irate janitor came out of the school building, and said "you can't do that here!". The dejected md'rs says "hhmmm, ok, how about the school down the street then?" The Janitor replies "no not there either". The md'rs thinks for a second and says "ok, well then how about the park downtown then?" By now the janitor is getting irritated, and just makes it simple for the guy "you can't hunt ANY public grounds in this city!". The janitor turns and walks back in to the building, and the md'r slinks away, sad that he "can't hunt any park or school in that city". He promptly tells his brother, who in turns, tells a few others, and they too, in turn, perhaps tell a few others, etc... And before long, it's just taken as "fact". 2 decades later, md'rs ask amongst themselves "who said?" or "is this really a rule or law here?" But you see how it can start? A mere isolated incident, at a single park, by a single barney fife. Yet years later, reality shows, that was an isolated incident that simply means you avoid *just* that one kill-joy.

This is just one example, but I think you get the point.
 
Unfortunately it was the parks dept. manager that stopped by to let me know that the city parks were off limits due to people in the past leaving a mess.

I've only been detecting for 6 years but this was the first time I've had any type of run in with officials. I've had a couple encounters with police but it was always the general "having any luck" question or "if you find a $20 gold piece it's mine". Like you advised I almost always hunt very early in the morning and leave usually when people start showing up. I do this mainly because I like to have the park to myself when hunting and lately to also beat the heat. I used to hunt all hours of the day but found it just works better for me in the morning.
 
An irate janitor came out of the school building, and said "you can't do that here!". The dejected md'rs says "hhmmm, ok, how about the school down the street then?" The Janitor replies "no not there either

Did you ever think maybe the janitor MD'ed and didn't want you MDing on his spot. I think I would of contacted the city before I gave up on the area. Some may run you off just because they don't want anyone else DMing their stomping grounds.
 
If there is no law or ordinance, they can complain all they want. Manager or no manager no law his word isn't the law. I stand my ground. Have in the past and will in the future. BUT if the police are called, you had better have a copy of the law with you so you can prove to them your in the right. No matter who tries to chase me away, if I am in the right and not breaking the law I will stick to my guns.

Just because someone says he is a manager doesn't give him the right to pass local or state laws or ordinances. BUT KNOW what the law is and be prepared to prove it. I guarentee some will always try to push you around.
 
with the price of gas today, its well worth finding out by phone before wasteing gas driving far to another town,county. Most town or city building should be able to tell you their local laws on parks and county owned property, don't call the cops they normally don't have a clue.
 
I am from decatur, I have hunted the parks & fair grounds many times when workers were there. No one ever run me off. Maybe go to the city hall and ask the mayor about it. Most of the time they will talk to you. Find out why. Tell him what happened. If he thinks it is OK, than ask for a permission slip. We dont have any trouble in decatur. Everyone there knowes me. You just need to show that you care about the property. You pay taxes on that land. That makes it your park also... KEN
 
I agree with you because it's a public park it's open to all . Most of the towns and city's today I believe would rather issue a permit (for $$) than ban it . So if anybody has worry's about them placing a band get them to consider a permit instead . A permit that can be revoked if your caught destroying it by leaving it a mess . HH , Woodstock
 
well that's nice if it were the park's dept "manager". For that matter, if could have been the cheif of police, the mayor, or ... WHOMEVER! I still would take the stance to "avoid just that one person" in the future, if you ask me. I too have had situations, like yours (irregardless of their rank or status, they were still a "person in authority") come tell me "you can't do that". I give lip service, and move on. Months later, when the matter is probably forgotten, I give it a try (at a better time).

Example: About 10 yrs. ago, a friend and I got the boot from a lady cop at a certain park in a city a few hours away from me. It was a park that I like to stop at, whenever going through that part of the state (gives up barbers, early mercs, etc...). We didn't argue with her (since we were on our way out). Oddly, that park has been detected .... I know for a fact .... since at least 1980. And no one, to my knowledge, had had any problems. Anyhow, a few months after our booting, I became acquainted with a hunter in that particular town. As he and I exchanged emails, I recounted the booting to him, so as to ask him what he knew about. He was quite surprised, as he had hunted that park many times, and never had a problem. So too had his friends in that town. And his wife was close-friends with someone on city counsel there, so he was thinking of having her "go to bat for him" to "get to the bottom of this". But in the end, we elected to do nothing (not ask for clarification or anything). We both wrote it off a fluke, and decided to treat it that way. 6 months later, I was travelling through this part of the state, and stopped to hunt. No problems. I have since detected that park dozens of times in the last 10 yrs, and never again heard a "peep" out of anyone (even had cop cars pass us by, etc...).

So you can see in the example I give here, that sometimes it's better to just lay low, give lip service, and odds are, it was a fluke. Be sure to put some time between the booting and the next visit though, because, yeah, that can be seen as too ... uh .... "forward". But after enough time, they'll forget you, and even if it were true that they were "on a crusade" and "always at this park", odds are, they won't remember you specifically. Sorry, but in this hobby, sometimes that's just the way things are. You'll never find parks with neon signs that say "detecting welcome here". Unfortunately the hobby draws the stares of lookie-lous, and has connotations. Kinda like nose-picking: If you ask enough people, someone will tell you that you can't even pick your own nose. But ..... if you just do it with a little discretion .... no one cares or notices.
 
No, not a good idea to go "seeking clarifications from the city", when such things occur. You'd be surprised at the number of places where no rules exist, and you'd more-than-likely be ignored. But when enough people go into city hall asking questions of desk-bound bureaucrats, you can sometimes get the old psychology of "No one cared .... TILL you asked" routine . I've even heard of some cities actually go out and MAKE a rule, when someone had done as you suggest. Ie.: "Let's make a rule to address this pressing issue" type of thing.

Thus, no, if there's no actual rule that says "no metal detecting", then no, I'm not "asking" anyone. To me the lack of such a rule (no prohibitions) IS my answer. If some busy-body wants to object, fine. I just avoid that one busy-body in the future.

I know this isn't the ultimate answer for everyone, and I know that some people will consider this advice as "sneaking around", etc.... But as I say, if you're waiting for signs that say "detecting and digging welcome here", then my advice is: You've chosen the wrong hobby. Or stick to private property.
 
Ken, you say:

" I have hunted the parks & fair grounds many times when workers were there. No one ever run me off."

Do you know why that is? Because you haven't gone and asked enough desk-bound bureaucrat's "can I?" And be sure to show up with a shovel in your hand, lest they not have the correct mental implications to your question.

My answer would be the same as I wrote to musky8it above.
 
NO! do NOT go to various towns you travel to, sending inquiries ahead of time, asking "can I metal detect?". That is a certain recipe for disaster. ALL TOO MANY TIMES md'rs have done just that, and gotten a "no", when no such rule really exists saying such a thing. They are just choosing the "safe" answer, and can simply morph something else to apply to your "pressing question". Ie.: the "taking and collecting" verbage. Or the dreaded "alterations and defacment" stuff, or "harming earthworms", or anything they think fits your question. And sadly, those type answers have often come in places where no one ever had an issue before! And the SADDER thing is, guess what's going to happen when that same bureaucrat is passing by the park, and sees another md'r out there (whom he'd probably never have give a 2nd glance to before)? He'll remember the earlier inquiry and think "aha! there's one of them!" and start booting others. I've seen that happen before!

Thus if you are skittish, and wonder if there's rules saying no detecting, then look it up for yourself. City muni and county codes are invariably on-line somewhere, for public viewing. It the entity doesn't have a website, then it's got to be down at city hall in binder form on the front desk, etc.... It has to be available, somewhere, for public viewing.

Because think about it musky: The mere fact that someone is standing in front of them, or sending them an email, or calling them, to inquire "can I do such & such", merely infers and implies that something is inhererntly wrong, or evil, about your activity, that you had to ASK, to begin with! (lest why would you be asking, if it were innocuous and harmless?). I mean, would you ask if you can fly frisbees? And this implication is not subconsciously lost on the person you're asking, and thus dicates the very answer you don't want.

So please, look up rules for yourself, if you are skittish.
 
If you've been around reading forums long enough, to read about such cities that have some sort of permit system (which is VERY VERY few, by-the-way), you'll begin to see that this is NOT a good idea, to go suggesting implemenation of . Well, at least not as some sort of "pre-emptive" measure anyhow. I mean, "permits" rolls off the tongue, and seems so inviting. It evokes images of simply showing your permit to any busy-body, and they leave you alone, right? Ie.: a "cart-blanche" so-to-speak. But no, it rarely works that way. If you read about cities or counties that have such a thing, it invariably restricts, instead of allows. You know, silly things like "you can detect but can't dig" , or "can't go within 10 ft. of a tree" or "digger not to exceed 3 inches long" or "only on sand beaches" and all such nonsense. And then you hear the sad cases of those locations simply rescinding "permits" altogether, simply deciding to change their minds. Why? Because any such thing is just "one more thing" for bureaucrats to consider each year, at annual meetings where city-matters are looked at. You know, like at any given time, some archie or someone can say "why are we letting these yahoos steal our history?" or some such nonsense, since it's a perpetual matter up for city scrutiny. So on the contrary, sometimes LESS scrutiny and princely sanction is what we need, NOT MORE.

About the only time I would ever say such a thing is a good idea, is if it can reverse an already-existing ban, so that it's the lesser of two evils. But no, never as some sort of "pre-emptive move", because rarely does permits ever turn out to be a good thing.
 
First off, we are not doing anything wrong, holes have been dug in the earth by Man since we got here. Just being discrete and as invisible as possible in any outdoor activity is SOP...get up and hunt early, dont stay too long in one place, and just pay attention to how you look and where you are. If you are thinking about this too much, this hobby is not for you, just go and have fun, get run off occasionally, (that will teach you about staying too long, or not paying attention) apologize and leave, feel free to foam at the mouth and wet your pants if you think you are in danger of getting arrested...feel free to put yourself up on a pedestal and disdain "sneakiness" if you find satisfaction in that hobby as well...sneakiness is an art and skillset in and of itself, and once highly mastered, can be an amazing attribute in going through life doing whatever you want unnoticed.
Mud
 
mud-puppy, you say : " ..... sneakiness is an art and skillset in and of itself, and once highly mastered, can be an amazing attribute in going through life doing whatever you want ...."

haha. I would add that no one here (and you with that statement) are not advocating breaking existing "specific" rules. I mean, sure, if there really were an actual rule that said "no metal detecting", then fine, go ahead and obey it. This however is not talking about such cases. This is talking about where no such rule exists, yet someone thinks they need permission, or worries that someone might gripe and say they're falling afoul of something that could be morphed to fit the question. Sure, call that "sneaking around" if you want, but no, no ones advocating breaking true laws, that are *specific*.
 
Part of going through life unnoticed is having some respect for existing POSTED rules and somebody elses property..disregard that, and you will be noticed, probably in print in the local paper or worse!!
Mud
 
True stories. At night detecting parking strips in Utah. A guy comes up to me and tells me to get off his property. Flashes a badge on his waist. I told him I was on city property and asked if he was a cop. He said yes. I said you better learn the law then. I had on a windbreaker and a 9mm pistol AND my State Police ID and badge in my wallet. He said I was going to jail and left. About 20 minutes later TWO police cars came up. I was two parking strips down from his house. (Found out he rented!) I turned off my detector, put my hands to my sides and told them I was armed and I am an officer. They asked for my id which I gave them. They arrested the security clown for impersonating an officer.

I have got THREE tickets for diving here in Michigan. ALL have been dismissed. COPS do NOT know all the laws, they think they do and try to intimidate. I know I had to do it all the time. That is why I said KNOW the rules, have a copy with you and be prepared to prove your right and keep enjoying the hobby.

I had a very nasty experience last year where a cop threatened me with everything under the sun. Including towing my truck which was on a public street. I said go right ahead I will sit here and wait. He went to his car, about 3 - 4 minutes later he called me over and apologized and we talked civilly. I had permission to be where I was and the rich jerk that called told dispatch that he owned the land. I do NOT want to draw negativity to our hobby BUT I will also NOT be shoved around by anyone.

Well that's my FREE 2
 
scuba, thanx for the interesting stories. You'd be surprised how many md'rs, would run into any situations like those, and just automatically conclude "detectors here are a no-no". They get a single "scram" or a single booting from some park, and just assume it's iron-clad law. Perhaps because the person was someone in authority (a gardener, a cop, or whomever). And while I'm not saying to be obstinate and pick a fight on the spot (sometimes we just give lip service), but what I AM saying, is it doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't an isolated incident, to just let blow over. Or like in your cases, to stand your ground.

There's been many cases where md'rs just rolled over skittishly, and believed they'd done something wrong. And then humorously, they spread the story of their booting to forum threads, to their friends, etc... because .... afterall .... they don't want their friends to get in trouble. Ie.: spread that word that "such & such city, or state, or whatever, is "off limits" ". And pretty soon, it's just taken as fact, and no one questions it. Then 20 yrs. later, people are looking around at each other, saying "says who?" :confused::rolleyes: When all it ever was, was a cop responding to a single call, or someone having a bad day, etc...
 
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