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inconsiderate hunters
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MNCoinhunter
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And to think that all the detector manufacturers would have to do is slip a post-it sized note into every box with a little lesson on detecting ethics. Are any of them doing this, or would that cut in on their enormous profits ?
It doesn't help when a manufacturer like Garrett sponsors a moronic metal detecting show that in the few episodes I watched made no mention of proper retrieval techniques.
A show that will cause many newbies to jump into the hobby.
With two grown men spending lots of time acting the fool, but not even a few seconds devoted to digging it right.
Very short-sighted, Charlie and Vaughan.
A show that will cause many newbies to jump into the hobby.
With two grown men spending lots of time acting the fool, but not even a few seconds devoted to digging it right.
Very short-sighted, Charlie and Vaughan.
Critterhunter
New member
Yep, I think Garrett is being short sited in their sponsorship of them. They may sell more now but what happens when more and more public places band detecting, and more and more private spots are off limits due to the impression that we all have a few screws loose in our antics?
I say the manufacturers should require you to check off one more box on your warranty card when sending it in. "Did you get taught and shown proper recovery techniques, such as digging 3 sided plugs and also to use a screwdriver whenever possible?" And if the manufactuer gets enough warranty cards where that box is checked "NO", then the dealer gets a phone call and is told to start doing that or they lose their contract to sell their machines.
This would be in the best interest of all the manufacturers, and I feel every dealer show be required to show the buyer a short 5 minute video sent by the manufactuers on how to both recover properly, and also how to use the pin point on their machines to either pop shallower targets with a screwdriver, or also to dig a smaller plug right where it needs dug to recover the target. To confirm the buyer saw the little video, a short quiz is taken before they can purchase a machine on what they just watched.
If they don't police themselves, and we don't police ourselves, then government will gladly step in and police us for us, as that is what many in government love to do and live for- Telling others what they can and can't do. The more people who know how to hunt responsible, and also to stay away from the public as much as possible so as not to disturb them, the less chance of future spots getting banned. Proper use of a two pocket apron and hauling out all trash is also needed in such a video.
I've also seen some guys on videos hunting right up against people on beaches or such. Really? You don't think that annoys people? Think about it, if you are laying on a blanket trying to relax do you want somebody blasting rap music right next to you? Same concept with keeping your distance from others while hunting. I also turn my back to people or roads when I have to bend down to recover a target, just so the "act" isn't in their face.
I think one way to shame shameless hunters into doing the right thing is to video them with a cell phone at a distance and then (if you feel safe, of course), letting them know they are about to become a youtube sensation on improper hunting methods. I'd love to see a youtube channel "Wall Of Shame" where anybody not filling holes or pickijng up trash or using shovels in a park are posted. Maybe then they'll think twice about doing it again, never knowng who might be filming them with a cell phone. It's like nose picking, nobody wants to get caught doing that for all to see.
I'm not for more government intrusion, but if we don't police ourselves they'll be happy do it it for us, with a total ban or a paid permit or something.
I say the manufacturers should require you to check off one more box on your warranty card when sending it in. "Did you get taught and shown proper recovery techniques, such as digging 3 sided plugs and also to use a screwdriver whenever possible?" And if the manufactuer gets enough warranty cards where that box is checked "NO", then the dealer gets a phone call and is told to start doing that or they lose their contract to sell their machines.
This would be in the best interest of all the manufacturers, and I feel every dealer show be required to show the buyer a short 5 minute video sent by the manufactuers on how to both recover properly, and also how to use the pin point on their machines to either pop shallower targets with a screwdriver, or also to dig a smaller plug right where it needs dug to recover the target. To confirm the buyer saw the little video, a short quiz is taken before they can purchase a machine on what they just watched.
If they don't police themselves, and we don't police ourselves, then government will gladly step in and police us for us, as that is what many in government love to do and live for- Telling others what they can and can't do. The more people who know how to hunt responsible, and also to stay away from the public as much as possible so as not to disturb them, the less chance of future spots getting banned. Proper use of a two pocket apron and hauling out all trash is also needed in such a video.
I've also seen some guys on videos hunting right up against people on beaches or such. Really? You don't think that annoys people? Think about it, if you are laying on a blanket trying to relax do you want somebody blasting rap music right next to you? Same concept with keeping your distance from others while hunting. I also turn my back to people or roads when I have to bend down to recover a target, just so the "act" isn't in their face.
I think one way to shame shameless hunters into doing the right thing is to video them with a cell phone at a distance and then (if you feel safe, of course), letting them know they are about to become a youtube sensation on improper hunting methods. I'd love to see a youtube channel "Wall Of Shame" where anybody not filling holes or pickijng up trash or using shovels in a park are posted. Maybe then they'll think twice about doing it again, never knowng who might be filming them with a cell phone. It's like nose picking, nobody wants to get caught doing that for all to see.
I'm not for more government intrusion, but if we don't police ourselves they'll be happy do it it for us, with a total ban or a paid permit or something.
Critterhunter
New member
I remember a thread from a few years back where a guy took a picture of another guy using a shovel in a park, so I dug up that thread. I don't care what anybody says about how they can dig a better plug with a shovel, it all comes down to perceptions, when people see something like this...
[attachment 261766 guyusingshovelinpark.jpg]
If there comes a day I can't bend down, I plan to use a setup I saw one guy use. A chair strapped to his back so he could hunt and then sit down hands free, dig his target, and then use the arms of the chair to help himself back up to hunt some more. I thought that was a fantastic solution to such a problem, without resorting to using shovels in public parks where it could cause others to suffer from such indescretion.
And here's that thread with that shovel digger's pic and opinions from people on such things...
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?63,1298540,page=1
[attachment 261766 guyusingshovelinpark.jpg]
If there comes a day I can't bend down, I plan to use a setup I saw one guy use. A chair strapped to his back so he could hunt and then sit down hands free, dig his target, and then use the arms of the chair to help himself back up to hunt some more. I thought that was a fantastic solution to such a problem, without resorting to using shovels in public parks where it could cause others to suffer from such indescretion.
And here's that thread with that shovel digger's pic and opinions from people on such things...
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?63,1298540,page=1
I was recently chased from a City park here in Philadelphia that I have hunted for over ten years.
There are no express rules against metal detecting there. It's a crab grass, dirt, and gravel environment - basically a ratty inner-city park where there was a double shooting several months ago...but I digress.
..I was not leaving uncovered holes and taking all my trash with me.
After that incident - I am never going to hunt that park again. I don't feel like arguing with cops, custodians, attendants - and all that, all just to find (mostly) clad and assorted junk, much less to kiss the king's ring to get formal permission...from now on, I will hunt the beaches at the Jersey Shore - and mostly nothing else.
Let them leave the parks to litter bugs, drug addicts, street thugs, and the assorted drunks that use and abuse the parks regularly, noticeably, and severely - with nary a peep from the vaunted authorities who are so anxious, in contrast, to give the metal detectorist a hard time.
To be honest, I think we are in the last days of metal detecting on most public property - it is a matter of time when it will be banned from nearly all public places.
IF you don't believe me, think about it for a minute: How many places were we banned from twenty, thirty, or forty years ago?
Since then, we have the Code of Ethics...there are endless tutorials on how to dig plugs, lots of expressed concern in our ranks about proper digging techniques, how to preserve the grass, not disturb the hallowed ground....talk back and forth about what is ethical, what tools we should carry, when we should hunt, how we should hunt, even what clothes to wear....long winded explanations about how to handle the cops when they show up.
Some detectorists go so far as to say that they hunt during certain hours so they won't be seen by others...gee, are you that ashamed of what you are? Are you doing something so wrong that you have to hide from your neighbors when doing it?
And where has all this concern, this discussion, all this angst gotten us?
Each year, we are banned from more and more places. I think we have been banned from many places even when proper digging techniques were used and we were respectful and adhering to a higher standard of conduct than nearly all other users of public spaces.
And the reason is because it does not matter at all what we do or how we do...you can carry a copy of the Metal Dectectorist's Code of Ethics in your pocket and memorize it word for word or even paste it on your forehead when you hunt, make it into a tee shirt and wear it out in the field ...in the end the powers that be want to regulate us out of business...people today make a big deal out of little things, they're petty and want to exact their will on other people. This attitude, this "in your face I'm gonna make you hurt" quality has become standard in American society.
That being said, I still follow the Code and don't advocate that anyone violate it.
But still, you have to admit that little by little, Code of Ethics be damned, we are being forced out of public places by overzealous officials and a meddlesome public that has been conditioned to make mountains out of mole hills when confronted by anything which is not familiar.
Just my thoughts.
TJ
There are no express rules against metal detecting there. It's a crab grass, dirt, and gravel environment - basically a ratty inner-city park where there was a double shooting several months ago...but I digress.
..I was not leaving uncovered holes and taking all my trash with me.
After that incident - I am never going to hunt that park again. I don't feel like arguing with cops, custodians, attendants - and all that, all just to find (mostly) clad and assorted junk, much less to kiss the king's ring to get formal permission...from now on, I will hunt the beaches at the Jersey Shore - and mostly nothing else.
Let them leave the parks to litter bugs, drug addicts, street thugs, and the assorted drunks that use and abuse the parks regularly, noticeably, and severely - with nary a peep from the vaunted authorities who are so anxious, in contrast, to give the metal detectorist a hard time.
To be honest, I think we are in the last days of metal detecting on most public property - it is a matter of time when it will be banned from nearly all public places.
IF you don't believe me, think about it for a minute: How many places were we banned from twenty, thirty, or forty years ago?
Since then, we have the Code of Ethics...there are endless tutorials on how to dig plugs, lots of expressed concern in our ranks about proper digging techniques, how to preserve the grass, not disturb the hallowed ground....talk back and forth about what is ethical, what tools we should carry, when we should hunt, how we should hunt, even what clothes to wear....long winded explanations about how to handle the cops when they show up.
Some detectorists go so far as to say that they hunt during certain hours so they won't be seen by others...gee, are you that ashamed of what you are? Are you doing something so wrong that you have to hide from your neighbors when doing it?
And where has all this concern, this discussion, all this angst gotten us?
Each year, we are banned from more and more places. I think we have been banned from many places even when proper digging techniques were used and we were respectful and adhering to a higher standard of conduct than nearly all other users of public spaces.
And the reason is because it does not matter at all what we do or how we do...you can carry a copy of the Metal Dectectorist's Code of Ethics in your pocket and memorize it word for word or even paste it on your forehead when you hunt, make it into a tee shirt and wear it out in the field ...in the end the powers that be want to regulate us out of business...people today make a big deal out of little things, they're petty and want to exact their will on other people. This attitude, this "in your face I'm gonna make you hurt" quality has become standard in American society.
That being said, I still follow the Code and don't advocate that anyone violate it.
But still, you have to admit that little by little, Code of Ethics be damned, we are being forced out of public places by overzealous officials and a meddlesome public that has been conditioned to make mountains out of mole hills when confronted by anything which is not familiar.
Just my thoughts.
TJ
Connecticut Lovejoy
New member
Back in 1964 when I first started detector, there was no rules. Now, in Connecticut, we are not allow in state and federal parks and forests. No help from Congress.
Well said TJ. I think that the future for us is bleak unless we become an arm of or start an organization like the NRA. How about the NMDA (or we mix it up and call ourselves DAMN!). The Muckity Mucks and petty politicians are not going to listen to us unless we line their pockets with a little green. In the meantime, go back to that park at a different time and enjoy yourself!
1950cupajo
New member
Get your 45
I stopped at one of my favorite parks a while back to do some quick detecting. The 'horror'!! Then turned to anger!!
Some A-hole was out there with a shovel digging 2 foot wide holes and left the plug protruding 3 to 4 inches above grade.
Instead of detecting, i instead had to fix everyone of those plugs that i could find.
Found out later this guy was caught red-handed and booted out of the park. Won't be long before there's a 'NO METAL DETECTING' sign posted there.
Either some people have no common sense or no respect for property or both.
As for 'Diggers', that show has done more to hurt this hobby than anything else.
Some A-hole was out there with a shovel digging 2 foot wide holes and left the plug protruding 3 to 4 inches above grade.
Instead of detecting, i instead had to fix everyone of those plugs that i could find.
Found out later this guy was caught red-handed and booted out of the park. Won't be long before there's a 'NO METAL DETECTING' sign posted there.
Either some people have no common sense or no respect for property or both.
As for 'Diggers', that show has done more to hurt this hobby than anything else.