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I'm going to talk about the Minelab users for a minute.

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Elton

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I agree that the Explorers and e-tracs give you a little boost in the depth department...But I also know from owning an Se that it's not all the machine.
In fact maybe only 20% to give it a figure..Not all of us Minelab owners do well..That's a given.

The difference in the Minelab owners who are top guns...and we all know who they are, is the dedication, Skill of operation, and perseverance of the hunt..
These guys know their machines like the back of their hand.
They spend hours, and hours in the field. They learn each little thing about the machines they use. When they go detecting for the most part it's all day.
They hunt and re hunt a park..Use different coils, tweak their machines and listen, listen, listen to what their detector is telling them..

They hunt forwards, backwards, and side ways in a marked in their head area.....They become attuned to their machines...They don't know what defeat (if there is such a thing in detecting) is..They never say die..they just revamp, try the hunt a different way, a different coil, and hunt till they get results.
They refine, and refine again the settings.....These guys are the reason for success........We should all be as dedicated.....we should all learn from their lead..It's there we can find..No matter what detector you use....If you give all you have like they do..You too will get results...Good results...It's the person more than it's the equipment..".This Buds" for you guys..you deserve a hand..You have earned it....If you don't read the explorer forum read it..but learn from what your reading..digest the words they use when telling of their great and many finds...It's not a 30 minute hunt...it's sometimes not a days hunt..but it will be found by them..They will figure out what works and utilize it..No matter how long or how hard it is..Thanks guys for the inspiration..
 
Wow, you were up early in the morning writing that piece of literary art Elton. That is 100% accurate and very insightful.
 
Elton, I know what you are trying to say, but it's only half true, in regards to the Explorer. I've heard the same logic used for the success of the Nautilus, in the hands of CW hard-core-aces: They seem to come in with the better finds. But, when you look at the CALIBER of hunter that uses that off-brand niche machine, they're usually the hard-core guys to begin with. So it becomes an unfair comparison to compare their results, with beginners using Garretts, Whites, or whatever. So to that degree, I understand what you are trying to say.

However, where your post fails the test, is when you pit an Explorer against type X other-brand/model machine, over FLAGGED marked undug signals, THEN compare. For example: to test an un-named new machine a few years ago, a friend and I took it to a particular park, where I was fairly certain that some deep wheatie/silver type signals could still be found at deeper depths (7 to 8" type deep whispers).

After hunting around with the Explorer (which, I admit, I was very fluent with in that environment) we flagged several potential deeeep coin signals. We then pull out the other machine, and try every conceivable setting, swing speed, etc.... We made double sure to try every single suggested control settings, so that there would be no doubt that someone couldn't say in the future "you didn't have it set up right" blah blah blah. I/we were also very conscious of the fact that what might *appear* to be a cr*appy signal to an un-initiated user, might in fact be music to the ears of a proficient user. So we purposefully marked other signals that we knew were shallow junk, corroded zinc, iron, etc.... so we could compare signals on our flagged deep coin, to them. In the end, we concluded that the Explorer was the superior deep turf machine. This was and continues to be born out by seeing proficient brand X machine users perpetually being persuaded, after being asked to swing over flagged signals, and they have to admit, "I wouldn't have heard that" or "that, if I am honest, is one I would have passed", etc...

I personally was an expert with Whites in the turf. I could get silver out of parks that others had given up on, etc.... But when I kept getting my silver finds out paced 3 to 1 when hunting with an Explorer ace, I had to stop and take notice. Once he flagged a few, and we compared "calls", I had to realize there was more to this than simply "he's an ace, and I'm not". There was indeed something to the inherent strength of signal, disc. ability at depth, etc....
 
OK, now take that same minelab comparison and try it on some gold. I think you'll see detector depth is relative to not only the conditions, but the target as well. Personally I would much rather find shallow gold than deep silver. I guess it is a matter of preference.
 
Elton agreed with you Tom in the first half of his first sentence. The Explorer does go deeper than many detectors. The point he was trying to convey is that it takes more than just a good machine to be PROFIENCIENT at the hobby. Someone who is experienced with a Brand X, will most often, find more with it than if the same person using an Explorer that he is not familiar with. There is no substitute for experience and perseverance.
 
As I stated in the beginning..Yes their deeper (Explorers).but it takes their dedication to find the deep deep masked coins..
 
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I read your guys posts, and digested what was written..You have to admire the dedication those guys expend....And it surly brings in the good finds.

I could say the same about your Skills with the DFX.... You know your equipment, your intentions are to do well with it, you figured out what makes it work...and that's too be admired..
 
Their dedication to the Hobby, and their machines are unmatched by many many of us..It shows in their finds.
 
Elton,has a good point that the hunters who invest the extra money and time to thoroughly learn their metal detector would still have good results with other equipment.LOL,but the Explorer does inspire the hunter's confidence.
 
Look how well you do with the Sov..You learned it, tweaked it, and refined it to your needs, your skills and your determination..
Now your one of the best Sov users I have ever seen..
 
I reread your post..and I missed what you were saying.........True the depth is there on the Labs..and that helps..but look at Larry(IL) with his DFx, Look at JIm(TN) with his F75 ..I am still convinced it's as much dedication and knowledge of your machine that gets the best results..You can put a Minelab SE in some peoples hands and they get nothing..I am one of those people....So I will stand by my original statement..Those top gun Minelab guys deserve much of the credit in their success...

You yourself said you got more with your DFx than others...Skill my friend and you should be commended for that lerned operation....Your right though the minelabs have the depth edge most of the time..But if you can't make it work right it's worthless..
 
Not much to say except the Explorer-II, once I got somewhat tuned to it, got me some nice deep silver. To me, that was it's strong point. Worked very slowly, run wide open, and listen carefully to the tones with quality headphones. To me, the weak point, my wrist.
 
Hi bro.

I'm one of those "Minelab" guys...but I don't consider myself a topgun. I consider myself as just a feller' who loves this hobby...and who tries to find ways to enjoy it to the fullest.

I love the challenge of trying to squeeze one more keeper out of a worked park...but I have fun doing it. I don't care if I find one more or not...because I will go right back there next time and try again.

To be completely honest...if the finds came to easy or too often....I wouldn't enjoy it half as much.

Good post bro

-Bryce
 
I tried the Explorers and just didn't get much..I re read the posts you guys make and realised it's more the "man" than the machine.

Sure your using a great detector...But you have to put it all together and figure out how to use it best.. You guys have certainly done that..
 
I also know how hard you work at figuring out just what it takes for getting the most out of your machine.. You work it, change it, and rework it till it produces..Thats the Man..Not the machine..anyone can pick up a Minelab..You guys define it when in your hands..
 
Southwind said:
OK, now take that same minelab comparison and try it on some gold. I think you'll see detector depth is relative to not only the conditions, but the target as well. Personally I would much rather find shallow gold than deep silver. I guess it is a matter of preference.
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Southwind, yes, some machines do better at low conductors, and others excell more at high conductors. There's no doubt about it.

However, you have to look at it this way: You can take any cheapie machine out to any inner city blighted old park, and fill your apron FULL of low conductors. You don't even need a machine that excells in low conductors. Merely take any machine, turn the disc. down to *just* iron disc, go to any blighted old park, and presto! you can dig foil, tabs, etc.... as fast and as much as you want. So it seems to me that a machine that can also do well at getting silver deeper, in worked out parks, has a lot of merit.

The only place where I would want a machine that excells more in low conductors, is perhaps at the beach, sandboxes, or somewhere that teensy gold jewelry is the goal. But for junky turf, where, quite frankly, I'm probably going to pass foil anyhow (gasp!) a machine that excells in low conductors, is not necessarily a primary goal.
 
Watching the forums I can't make up my mind if the explorer is the best detector or if only some of the best hunters just happen to use the Explorer. Maybe both huh........Jack
 
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