First of all, thanks to you all who offer your advice and experience. I dug what I would consider a really "iffy" signal yesterday. I heard a very short and quiet silver signal, stopped, swept it again and had trouble picking it up. I then wiggled it and got it faint, but solid. I turned 90 and could not get it, in fact I got a null. I swept even slower and still got a null. I have been passing up signals like these for years because I always seemed to get iron. I'd check for 2 targets in all-metal, usually find that the signal moved a few inches and dismiss it as iron, because I'd dug bits of iron with these signals. I then started adjusting sens. by what I've learned from you lately. Noon to two was where I was running. I couldn't increase the return by increasing sens., so I thought I was using the sens. about right. With all that said, I dug a 1918 Merc. from about 5 to 6 inches. I'm hoping it was edged or had a minute amount of iron close to it for such a weak signal. I was hoping for a stronger signal from my Sov. Glad I dug though.
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Iffy signals with the Sov xs-2a
- Thread starter matt04
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If the iron were too close to this target or on top of the target you would not have heard any iffys .....The iron had to be a pretty good distance away for you to hear any good signal at all ....If the iron is too close, or on top of the target , you won't hear anything in most casees ......Another thing is to swing and hit the target from MANY different directions ....One direction you might get a null , and from the opposite direction you might get a good signal .... Sometimes too you can be fooled by thinking that maybe the high tone that you are hearing in the mix is an iron false and you will pass the target right by since you are hearing iron in the mix .......Good Job !!.....Glad you got your Merc !!!....They're one of my favorite coins ....The detail is so nice on them .....Jim
Critterhunter
New member
The iron could have been right over the coin so long as they were real close to each other. The signal will bend and wrap around the iron and touch the coin, but it can only do this for a very short distance.
Glad you found that raising sensitivity didn't help. Good info.
Glad you found that raising sensitivity didn't help. Good info.
Critterhunter
New member
Also, in my buried silver dime testing at fringe depth I often find that you can manage a good signal one way on the coin but for some reason it will null or be real bad the other way. Even with the coin laying flat. Whether that's due to the format of the ground matrix, small iron nearby, or whatever I don't know. I just know that I've dug plenty of old coins at fringe depth that would only ID one way, and when nothing else seemed to be in the ground with them. I suspect it's more to do with the ground matrix and not just coins on edge or mixed with iron some times.
Matt,any of my targets that locks on after a wiggle I 'll dig.Lots of factors for a weak signal on a shallow depth,ground conditions,coin on edge,iron close to target and sensitivity too low .What size of coil did you use?
fwcrawford
Well-known member
I had something similar happen while hunting last weekend and it happened
to be a wheat penny in the same hole with a rusty nail at about 5" down.
I did this on two occasions and both gave good readings one way or angle,but a solid null from another angle.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1345793,1345793#msg-1345793
Congradulations of the Merc. dime.
Felix
to be a wheat penny in the same hole with a rusty nail at about 5" down.
I did this on two occasions and both gave good readings one way or angle,but a solid null from another angle.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1345793,1345793#msg-1345793
Congradulations of the Merc. dime.
Felix
I read an article by Thomas Dankowski(the Fisher poster guy) from an older issue of East and West Treasure about this very thing. He found that even a rusted staple halo would mask a good target under it or in close proximity under the staple. Makes me think there are tons of keepers out there just masked. I have found clads and silver coins in the same hole with nails and screws. I'm not sure as to the exact positioning of the iron and the good signal would have an odd twist to it sometimes, but the Sov would pick them out.
Thanks. I've also pulled clads and silver from the same hole as a nail or screw and would get a keeper signal but it would have an odd twist to it from some directions. I'm not sure where the iron was in the hole though.
This is the most worn Mercury I've ever recovered. The lettering on the reverse is so worn as to be hard to read. Mint mark long since worn away. I'm heading back there tomorrow if I can hack the cold front blowing through tonight!
This is the most worn Mercury I've ever recovered. The lettering on the reverse is so worn as to be hard to read. Mint mark long since worn away. I'm heading back there tomorrow if I can hack the cold front blowing through tonight!
Yes I too have found nice coins in with nails and other iron object if it is not real big. I remember one as it was a Franklin half that had a rusty bolt right on top of it touching it, but wasn't a great signal, but knew something just didn't sound right and could get the tones and meter trying to climb when I hit it just right so I had to dig it.
One thing I do when I know I will be hunting a old park that has been well worked over the years and there is trash around from years ago. I just go real slow in the areas where I know something was years ago and listen close to that threshold and when I hear the slight tone change I will work only that small area with the coil trying to get that tone to try to climb a bit as I know it is deep as the area is very small I get a signal doing the wiggle over only that target. Now i will try to get that signal to the tip of the coil than go around it to see it is still staying in the same area as I know it is one i want to dig. Even if it nulls 2 of the directions and get a signal 2 of the directions I will be digging as these are the signals that is a good target close to a iron one. This is where using your Sovereign and learning more each time out with it and seeing how some of these signals react in real hunting conditions that will impress you and others what the Sovereigns are capable of. No air test or test gardens will do what you will learn in actual hunting and feel you have just learned a little more about your Sovereigns.
I too have that 8 inch Coinsearch coil I use yet along with the 10 inch Tornado coil and I have dug some dimes and pennies at 10-12 inches with the 8 inch coinsearch coil, but these were very weak and small area, but got the tones trying to climb when hit just right and doing the Sovereign wiggle after getting them by going very slow and listening close.
Rick
One thing I do when I know I will be hunting a old park that has been well worked over the years and there is trash around from years ago. I just go real slow in the areas where I know something was years ago and listen close to that threshold and when I hear the slight tone change I will work only that small area with the coil trying to get that tone to try to climb a bit as I know it is deep as the area is very small I get a signal doing the wiggle over only that target. Now i will try to get that signal to the tip of the coil than go around it to see it is still staying in the same area as I know it is one i want to dig. Even if it nulls 2 of the directions and get a signal 2 of the directions I will be digging as these are the signals that is a good target close to a iron one. This is where using your Sovereign and learning more each time out with it and seeing how some of these signals react in real hunting conditions that will impress you and others what the Sovereigns are capable of. No air test or test gardens will do what you will learn in actual hunting and feel you have just learned a little more about your Sovereigns.
I too have that 8 inch Coinsearch coil I use yet along with the 10 inch Tornado coil and I have dug some dimes and pennies at 10-12 inches with the 8 inch coinsearch coil, but these were very weak and small area, but got the tones trying to climb when hit just right and doing the Sovereign wiggle after getting them by going very slow and listening close.
Rick
CladJunkie
New member
The main reason to use a "8 over the 10" would be for better target separation in junkie areas. Still the 10" is a better over all coil for most places
matt04,
These are all "Masking" issues that happen all the time in the parks that I hunt here in NY ......There are some cases where the iron, or some other metal , is in a postion where it doesn't matter which way you swing your coil , and it doesn't matter how fast or slow you swing your coil , it will just NOT read !!...... You have no clue that there is any Silver anywhere around ...... The E Trac handles these situations and you can clearly hear the Sliver in the mix ..... This does not come up all the time , and in a lot of cases the Silver is far enough away from the iron or other metals that you can get a good signal or at least a weird signal that will make you dig the target to see what it is ..... You are RIGHT to wonder how many good targets you have walked over !!..... Jim
These are all "Masking" issues that happen all the time in the parks that I hunt here in NY ......There are some cases where the iron, or some other metal , is in a postion where it doesn't matter which way you swing your coil , and it doesn't matter how fast or slow you swing your coil , it will just NOT read !!...... You have no clue that there is any Silver anywhere around ...... The E Trac handles these situations and you can clearly hear the Sliver in the mix ..... This does not come up all the time , and in a lot of cases the Silver is far enough away from the iron or other metals that you can get a good signal or at least a weird signal that will make you dig the target to see what it is ..... You are RIGHT to wonder how many good targets you have walked over !!..... Jim