I went MD'ing today & I'm depressed.

[John 'n' W.Va]

Overconfident I know. I went to the people that own the log home I posted Yesterday. I have to go back a little. In Oct. I ask them if I could MD an old school on their property. The man said he would have to ask his mother. I got back to him today and we talked for 20 minutes. I thought we were getting along pretty good. He then said his mother said no. She was worried about liability. The school is ready to fall in. I said what about the log home they are tearing down. It will be nothing but a field when they are done. He said when it caught fire last spring, they had a bunch of people vandalize the place. It upset his mother. She won't even let a hunter on the property. He also told me it was built in1739. I think I want to cry. I had to have a fix. I went MD'ing, but it wasn't doing me much good.

I got another miner's tag. The 7th one this year. Five wheat's: 1918,1934,1941,1942 and 1952. I got a 1936 mercury. All at the demo-ed house area.

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[cwilk]

Great dime! You get a lot of miner tags. What was (is) their purpose. Is it like an ID badge?

Chris

 

[IndianaSmith]

Next time you might have a "waiver of liabillity" printed-out & signed, might be enough to make a difference.

Smitty

 

[John 'n' W.Va]

[quote cwilk]Great dime! You get a lot of miner tags. What was (is) their purpose. Is it like an ID badge?

Chris[/quote]

When you enter the mines, you take your tag and put it on the in board. When you come out of the mines, you take your tag and put it on the out board. When they look at the board they know where you are. If there are any tags on the board at the end of the shift they know that someone was left in the mines. If so, they know who by his # and they go get him.
I have been there and done that.

 

[Parkit]

Surely the dime was enough to lift your spirits SOME John. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush....

Since misery loves company, here's my miserable story. My friend and I were eagerly waiting for time off work, good weather and good luck to combine when we set out to hunt a campground from the 1930's. When we got there, tract houses dotted the landscape. On the opposite corner of the road used to sit a post office from 1840, and now a dilapidated church sits on the spot. The roof is caving in, siding is peeling off, and a trailer sits loaded with debris that looked like it came from the inside and outside of the church. No probem hunting there.... until a local self-proclaimed deacon came along, called the law, and we were ushered off the place. My partner had neatly tucked his only good finds, a 1920 wheat and a silver butterfly charm, into his shoe. When we were told to hand over the pitiful few clad and rotten zincs we had found, we also handed over the rotten cans, nails, bottle caps, pop tops, and TRASH we had dug up. The "deacon" threw the trash on the ground, and we tried to talk the cop into fining him for littering. Didn't work, but the cop laughed his butt off. He followed us down the road as we left, and at the next stop he pulled alongside us and told us he knew of a Confederate tannery in a nearby town, gave us his cell number, and said he'd see if he could get us into the place this Spring. Karma is alive and well I guess.

One way or another your log cabin expedition, while apparently a disaster right now, will pay off for you.

BTW, I carry copies of permission slips and liability releases, and it has made the difference on some occasions.

 

[Uncle Willy]

What a bummer. People can be real stinkers. Should have told him you'd sign a waiver of liability.

Bill

 

[Uncle Willy]

Did you load "16 tons"?

Bill

 

[John 'n' W.Va]

[quote Uncle Willy]Did you load "16 tons"?

Bill[/quote]

I ran a loading machine for a while. I would load that much in15 minutes.

 

[awhitster]

Nice Merc John. Shake it off, man up and move on. When one door closes another opens. I like that miners tag. It's the same principle as where I work for entering a confined space. We use a badge board. Badge on going in, badge off coming out. Not sure if they had them in W. Virgin'y but if you find a slave tag, they are worth some bucks.

 

[John 'n' W.Va]

[quote awhitster]Nice Merc John. Shake it off, man up and move on. When one door closes another opens. I like that miners tag. It's the same principle as where I work for entering a confined space. We use a badge board. Badge on going in, badge off coming out. Not sure if they had them in W. Virgin'y but if you find a slave tag, they are worth some bucks.[/quote]

Yea, the mine tags from the early days was our slave tag. For real.
We had the first gated communities. They fenced off the company housing. At 7:00 PM they locked the gate and you had to be in your house. There was a search light tower. Once your son is out of school, he has to work in the mines or he is not allowed to live in your company owned house. If they saw two or more men talking in a group, they ask you what you were talking about. If they didn't like your answer, they would fire you. Before you got home they would have your furniture out in the lawn. Now you don't have a place to live. You were paid with their phony money and you owe more to the company store than you have. They demand you pay up or you go to jail.

 

[NM5K]

That would be a nice place to check out. Oh well, maybe someday
they will sell and move, and you can hit up the new owners.. :/
You still got some nice consolation prizes..
MK

 

[awhitster]

[quote John 'n' W.Va][quote awhitster]Nice Merc John. Shake it off, man up and move on. When one door closes another opens. I like that miners tag. It's the same principle as where I work for entering a confined space. We use a badge board. Badge on going in, badge off coming out. Not sure if they had them in W. Virgin'y but if you find a slave tag, they are worth some bucks.[/quote]

Yea, the mine tags from the early days was our slave tag. For real.
We had the first gated communities. They fenced off the company housing. At 7:00 PM they locked the gate and you had to be in your house. There was a search light tower. Once your son is out of school, he has to work in the mines or he is not allowed to live in your company owned house. If they saw two or more men talking in a group, they ask you what you were talking about. If they didn't like your answer, they would fire you. Before you got home they would have your furniture out in the lawn. Now you don't have a place to live. You were paid with their phony money and you owe more to the company store than you have. They demand you pay up or you go to jail.[/quote]Sounds like the land of the free. I've seen a few documentary's about the miners struggles for unions. I remember seeing a part where they threw out the furniture. Long live Joe Hill, eh John

 

[John(H)]

John, it is all a matter of Math If you knocked on 10 doors, even if you only got one OK, it would be worth it all! In fact, the odds would dictate that favorable responses should be greater than one! Also once you get permission and are detecting use the domino effect! Neighbors may notice and be curious! Don't be shy and show them what you are doing! Many or at least some of the neighbors will want to be next! ..............And don't be stingy with your finds offer to give back any personal items found. Up front before I start detecting I explain that I expect to keep any found coins (to help pay for batteries) and will split 50/50 any large treasures (like a gold coin-cache). It is very important to lay down some ground rules or you may regret that hunt later!................just 38 years of detecting experience talking here.............................HAPPY HOLIDAYS....................Joe

 

[rmptr]

Hey John,

Carrying a pre-printed permission slip and liability waiver sounds like a good idea as described above...

Have you considered returning and perhaps offering a trinket to the old woman in advance?

Something dug elsewhere you could tell a nice story of the recovery?

Maybe you could offer her some sort of split if valuables were discovered?

Lotta folks got much more than I do...
Seems they are frequently pretty mercenary.
If there's something in it for them that exceeds the liability, they can be convinced.
Many times folks just ask that I not make a mess and at least show them what I've found.

 

[rmptr]

Hey Parkit,

That fella reminds me of those crusaders spreading the word at the tip of a sword!

Could be he's behind the missing collection plate that caused the downfall of the temple
..and knows where the cache is hidden on the property..