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I think the sniper coil is going to pay for itself real quick.

Mick in Dubbo

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Took the sniper coil out again last night and put some of the advice that I have heard to good use. Firstly, I just hunted real close to the metal objects of a play area. Started finding coins that my other coils couldn't hit.
Next; I hunted directly under some very low metal by holding the pinpoint button in. The coil was so close that it was in direct contact with the metal (no problems!) Pulled out a $2 coin! Do you know of any other detector that can do that?
I think I am going to like this coil. I'll look into getting a wide scan coil for the X-Terra so that I can keep this one one the ace more often. Hopefully the X-Terra can give good enough performance that these 2 detectors can compliment each other is this way.
With only an hour on this coil, it has already located over $11 that the other coil couldn't hit.
Mick Evans.
 
Mick, have you done any serious comparisons with the Ace and the X-Terra ? I know there are a number of people out there that are VERY interested in the results !

Chris.
 
I just love the 250/Sniper setup for most places I hunt. It seems trash abounds everywhere and the Sniper gets right in there and sorts the goodies out for you and as you said, gets right up next to the metal stuff for some extras the big coils won't get!! Keep 'em swingin'!!!
 
And you can run it "full throttle" with sensitivity! The depth it gets is really incredible too! A great coil it is :thumbup:
 
Two questions about the Sniper coil if I may; Do most people who own one find that the "X" on the coil is the real hotspot? And is it probable that by turning the sensitity way up you can more or less gain any depth loss from using the stock coil?

Steve
 
The "X" shoould be center, and increasing the sensitivity usually contributes to greater depth, unless it becomes very unstable, in which case you just cut back a little. It also depends on the soil conditions where you live. I have low mineralization where I live, and my test garden shows that the higher the sensitivity, the deeper the depth.
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Yep, the X is the spot on mine. And being it's a round
coil that pinpoints in the center, you don't have the
change in location you might see on the stock coils
when at the deeper ranges. IE: with the stock and 9x12
coils, you usually should add a bit to the rear when
pinpointing at the max depth ranges. This is due to the
cone shaped pattern of the coil. But being the sniper is
round, and pinpoints in the center, the true location
doesn't change with depth. With my sniper coil, I
get a max of about 6 inches with it cranked. I get a bit
more from the stock coil if set to the same sens setting,
but 6 inches is plenty for the majority of the coins you
will see. The sniper is probably my fav coil to use
overall. It hits hard, but is ultra light. Not to mention
it really weeds the coins from the crud in a busy area.
But I actually even like it in fairly open places.. :/
Sure, it doesn't cover a lot of area, but what it see's
is quickly grabbed up due to the slightly faster ID and
pinpointing.
MK
 
Yeah it'll pay for its keep in no time. Do you crank your sensitivity down real low when next to the metal?

Bill
 
Hotspot is right smack in the center of the coil. Depth is limited to diameter of coil. General rule of thumb is the depth equals the diameter but can vary one way or another.


Bill
 
Yeah it's got 20/10 vision. :) That's what my eyes used to be awhile back. Now they have blossomed to a fuzzy 20/20. :)



Bill
 
Wonder how come that is. Maybe the glaciers way back scraped it all off. Got a card coming your way with a goodie or two included.

Bill
 
G'day Steve. Welcome on board.
I'm glad that everybody has been quick to answer your questions as I'm just learning how to use this coil myself. John has just answered the pinpointing question for both of us. I have a Pocket UniProbe; and just like the American Express card add says, I "don't leave home without it!" I'm pretty slack when it comes to pinpointing, as I know I'll find it with the probe real quick.
Looks like they have answered the second question as well.
Thanks for the input guys.
I'd also like to thank the person who mentioned about the sniper coil being a coaxial coil, and that hitting the pinpoint button allows you to hunt directly under metal, as the coil doesn't give off a signal above the coil when you do this! Great info!
Mick Evans.:ausflag:
 
Thanks to everyone for the replies, I got my Sniper delivered Wednesday and have a few places in mind to try it out. It seems to me that using this coil will be a lot more like using the 5.5" on my old Marksman, no real question where the target is unlike the 9x12 and the stock coil on the ACE 250. I've gotten better at pinpointing with both of those, but it's a learning curve and they don't seem to have the same "hot spot". On the 6.5x9 I have better luck using the notch just above the stem as my hot spot, on the big coil it's under the top of the inner loop. The old machine's co-planer has an x on it and I never have a hint of trouble pinning down my targets.

Thanks again for the help.

Steve
 
Hi Chris.
As yet I haven't put them up against each other in any serious way. To be frank, I've been quite annoyed with the X-Terra, and have hardly had it out since I've had the Ace. The 2 main reasons are that, 1) I've had reliability problems with it. I think that they are sorted out, but I'm not sure about the pinpoint still. It still doesn't seem to be as accurate as I remember it to be when I first got it.
2) Since using the Ace with the large coil, the X-Terra feels so slow at covering the same ground.Guess I just got spoilt.
I'm going to Sydney next week and I'm going to check out the wide scan coil to see if it's any good. I'm hoping that it will give me a lot better ground coverage. After that I'll play around with the 2 to see what happens.
I'll share with you what I can at the moment.
The discrimination on the 2 are very similar. I have been bench testing the X-Terra 30 a bit for the last couple of nights and found that the only difference on modern coins, is that the 10 cent piece will give a solid lock of 12 (bottom pull tab range) and on the Ace they tend to come in just under pull tab range. The 50 cent coins and up, including 1 and 2 cent coins react precisely alike ie $2 coins can either come in at their usual spot or bounce up into the $1 notch.
In pinpoint, the X-Terra seems to do a fair bit better at telling a screw cap from a coin. It gives off a stronger pinpoint signal than a coin. $2 coins are the easiest to tell apart (smaller) $1 coins are a bit closer in sound and 50 cent pieces sound very similar to a screw cap (too close to tell apart reliably). I can't remember how they go when they are deeper in the ground, but I seem to remember that at any real depth, you can't really tell them apart from a coin. I'll check that out next week when I have it out again. This, in my opinion is the X-Terra's biggest asset over the Ace. It means a better coin to rubbish ratio. The Ace on the other hand seems to be able to tell a coin apart from a rubbish target by having a sharp stop to the signal as you slide the coil forward when you pinpoint. Although this works, I've found that it's not reliable enough to depend on. Despite that, I seem to be more adventurous at recovering targets with the Ace.
As far as actually pinpointing targets go, I feel that the Ace is more reliably accurate at it than the X-Terra. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not sure if X-Terra's pinpointing mode is working correctly (the reason I bought the pocket probe for in the first place).If I put a 20 cent piece down on the surface and pinpoint it then it will indicate that it is smack bang in the middle of the coil with possibly only a couple of millimetres either side of the coin.But sometimes it could simply be anywhere under the inner coil. Pretty sad.
With the Ace; Although I can';t figure out the proper way to pinpoint it, I find that using the centring and siding technique. it seems to be fairly close most of the time.
What sets the Ace apart in my books, is it's coil. It seems to have a much better detection field than the X-Terra, gives better ground coverage due to it's shape and is a whole lot better at getting in close to metal objects. I can get the large coil in as close as 3inches if I drop the sensitivity down to 1 bar! The X-Terra is not even close in this department. By comparison, the X-Terra seems to cover less ground and can't get anywhere near as close to play equipment.
Hopefully this has thrown some light on it for you.
Mick Evans.
 
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