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I think Its time to let the sov GT go.......

Mark ( ohio )

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I'm sure in the right hands, this detector is a fantastic unit... but for me , it just wasn't the case... Picked it up in march/ April of this yr, and in all honesty, didn't put in the time needed to make it past all the nuances that come with the gt......

first.. you really have to hunt/swing SLOOOOW....way slower then even the explorer and I just cant hunt that slow...... the target id meter, ( which is in a horrible location ) seeing it is a challenge in itself...

BUT.....the depth is impressive !!!

I will start looking for a closet queen explorer II with the pro coil.. or se pro... so if anybody knows of a buddy looking for a pristine GT... have em holllar back at me..

Merry Christmas to all.. Mark ( ohio )
 
Mark,I had three different Sovereign before the potential of this detector was discovered.At first I didn't like this detector at all.The Sovereign is one of the most efficient detectors I have ever used.I have used Sovereigns in seeded hunts, it may not have a sweep speed as quick as a Whites but it will hit very hard on targets with the small 800 coil,which surprised me and others at these events.I wouldn't even consider using my Explorer in one of these hunts even though its one of my favorite detectors. The ML target ID meter can be placed in a better sight position by using a simple pipe hanger no glare and excellent line of sight for the wiggle and centering the coil.I understand the Sovereign isn't for everyone and your GT with a ML meter should sell easy and for enough cash to buy an Explorer ll or very close to have enough to buy a used SE.I would suggest an ad in the classifieds or put on Ebay.By the way sales for detectors are usually a little better after Christmas.Good Luck Ron
 
Never hurts to try something different Mark and surely the sov is not the best detector for everyones detecting. Ron is correct, you should be able to get a decent amount for it, especially with the meter.
have a look into an etrac also, I like those better than the Explorer series and look into an X8 coil for either an etrac or explorer.
good idea to stick with the multi freq minelabs, they ID better at depth than any other machine Ive ever used and adjust themselves to soil variations.
Merry Christmas,
Neil
 
mark, sorry the gt isnt your cup of tea..... i didnt like mine either for the first few weeks....... in reality i find it to be a very simple machine to use once you get the basics..... and as far as swing speed the combination of soil conditions and your sensetivity setting are the two major factors which have the most influence..... i dont like using the meter,i mean ya its something to look at and can give you a general idea but if i think there is any chance that target is good i dig it.... i use mine almost exclusively at the beach or in farm fields where digging alot of holes isnt to much of an issue solong as i fill my holes..... for the farm fields in my area the gt with the wot coil doesnt give those colonial coppers very many places to hide..... i know this because ive returned those fields many times .... if the gt isnt your cup of tea then i say let her go...if she comes back youll know its love..... happy holidays and hunting.... dave
 
I had originally bought the gt for strictly ocean beach hunting... but alot of the turn of the century meadows around here hold the deep, deep coins.....My ol'e explorer was able to pick thru these places with realitive ease,, such was not the case with the gt....

But again... for salt-water beaches...hip-mount the case and hunt for hrs and hrs.... sure can't do that with an explorer!!!!

Merry Christmas everyone.. Mark ( ohio )
 
We seem to think a like as I too feel the E-Trac is a better choice then the Explorers from using all the different Explorers and the X-8 coil really made my Explorers come to life for me and when I put it on my E-Trac when I got it made the E-Trac so easy to learn and was picking up coins in trashy area I couldn't work with my Explorers before.
For me when I first started using a Sovereign back in 1996 I didn't like it and got a CZ7 and a Garrett GTI 2500 and took a weekend at a old park and used the CZ7, then the GTI 2500 and finally the Sovereign XS over the same area and the Sovereign going slow was picking up coin after coin the other 2 missed. Been a while, but don't think the other 2 got more than 3 or 4 coins apiece in the 3 hours I used them while the Sovereign I had 15-20 coins with in the first hour with it in the same places. I felt I finally was starting to understand the Sovereign and just spent more time with it and learn something new each time out with it.
I feel you will always do better with the detector you are the most confidence in and I do like most I have used and tried and sold many of them, but for me the Sovereign GT with a 180 meter and the S-1 Probe will always be one I will always have as once I got to master it I found it has the best ID of any detector I have used, goes deeper then most I have used and just have more confidence in it. What I really like over the Explorer with the Sovereigns is the Sovereign is showing you the ID the detector sees at the time and not when the threshold come back so you can work the Sovereign for the best ID on a target is under the coils and the longer tones for us that are hard of hearing.

Good Luck Mark on what ever detector you are using and we see where some like one better then another and you gave the Sovereign a good chance and you now know what this detector is all about.

Rick
 
Now that minelab officially cancelled production on the GT and SE Pro.... maybe they will do more enhancement to the Safari ie; a safari II or GT model... with more refined target Id system... I used a safari for an entire hunting season a few yrs back and the Pro coil with this detector was really impressive... The numeric Id system is just too symplified for my taste.... more resolution with the numbers ( like 0-75 instead of 0-40 ) or better yet, a new grid system would be really cool too..

Id definitely look at that more closely...

But anyway, thats for your input Rick.

Merry Christmas

Mark ( ohio )
 
Sorry to hear it's not your bag. Different strokes for different strokes. That's why there are many companies making many different machines, to suit the particular tastes and wants of the buyer.

I'm too spoiled by the long detailed audio and no-fuss/smooth raw powerful depth of the GT to ever let mine go, even as I continue to add other machines to my lineup with other traits. I've owned or used many machines over the years, but I can honestly say this one ain't going anywhere no matter what else I buy down the road. It's just too unique of a beast, like the best of the old analog machines in simplicity of controls, yet with the digital power and ground ignoring/penetrating ability of a Minelab to go super deep. The long/detailed/analog-like robust audio alone combined with the tone alerts of a Minelab makes it a very unique machine to me for that reason alone.

The conductivity resolution of the Sovereign with a 180 is super high and I really like that ability to split hairs on things like tabs (they span 20 digits) versus nickels and other sub-coin targets (buttons, rings, various old coins that read lower than even zinc pennies, relics, etc) when hunting for those. When old coin hunting I don't care what kind of coin the machine things it is because I've dug plenty of silvers in the past that read as clads or pennies due to numerous factors to trust the thin resolution distinctions between them. If it's shallow but in trash I just want to know it's a coin and I'm digging it, because it could be an oldie that others missed, or if it's deep masked or not same deal then. Only coin I much care about IDing is zincs when I'm in the mood to avoid billions at a site, or IDing nickels when I'm after those. Luckily they usually read in the 140 to 146 range, where as for me most round or square tabs start at about 149 and go up to 169 ninety nine percent of the time.

I've used the Etrac and prefer the Explorer VDI system and a few other things on it myself like the more flutey silver tone, but once again it's all about personal wants and dislikes as to which is the best machine for a person. It pretty much comes down to which machine is in the right hands and how familiar they are with it, so it's more of a Ford Vs Chevy debate. Whoever knows the quirks and traits and they fit that person's personality better is the one with the edge. I'm scoping out an SE Pro right now to pick up sooner or later myself. I've got two friends who owned Etracs. One went back to the SE Pro and the other is talking about doing that. On the other hand, I've got another friend who hasn't picked up his Explorer XS since he got his Etrac. I've told him to throw a 12x10 on that XS and it will breath new life into it in depth and separation/unmasking compared to the stock 10" coil, as he's using a 12x10 on his Etrac anyway. Just saying some go one way and some go the other on those units. All depends on the person and their particular tastes. For sure if you don't like a machine then you'll never do well with it, so far better to go with one or the other that jells with a person better.

Far as the Sovereign being slow, in terms of unmasking I've done a complete turn around on how important I felt recovery speed and the ability to lower iron rejection is. I don't argue that any one path is more important than another, but I've seen with my own eyes and ears what a sharp DD line on a quality coil such as the 12x10 will do, to the point where the outcome is a complete wash (built in high iron rejection on the GT but using a super sharp DD line, versus another machine with a faster recovery speed and minimal iron rejection).

After numerous heads to heads for about two years now on undug badly masked coins in the field before digging, in many instances where coins completely nulled for both machines all the way around them but one tight angle, we haven't seen a lick of difference between them. Maybe that will change some day but we've compared plenty so far. Super deep, on edge, badly masked, even perfect storm combinations of all three of these things- The GT and 12x10 has held it's own just as well. I've started to get into the habit now to pull the headphone plug out just so we can all hear.

So I now feel if I control my sweep speed recovery speed is a non-issue to me. But of course if one just likes to swing faster then by all means they need a faster machine or risk masking stuff due to that. To me these days I feel a slow machine allows me to sniff around heavy trash or iron at a dead site slowly and intensely for any hints of a high tone and work a site well, and also to hover over and soak in the finer traits of a target without the audio being clipped short on me. You just can't do that with some machines, where it's trying to reset or cut things short, or you might lose depth or stability/performance if the machine isn't built to be used slow like that. I also prefer a nice slow look at super deep stuff, as I feel it's easier to get a better look and harder hit on it, like trying to read a sign going 35mph versus 75mph as you pass by.

Here's a few videos I did on the elevated nail masking test that seems very popular to judge machines and coils with on you tube...

http://youtu.be/NilnTD47FoY

And this one is doing the same tests using various coils, combined with the popular mineralized brick test...

http://youtu.be/bKesj7KjcXY

As you can see, there is more than one way to unmask than just recovery speed. A sharp field is where the foundation starts is what I believe now, but by all means a Minelab isn't the best machine to use if a person likes to blaze around faster. People have to buy the machine that matches their personality and hunting style, otherwise no matter how good a machine is it won't perform if it isn't a good match. I look at it like why we are good friends with some people and never close with others. Same type of deal with detectors. It's whoever or whatever you jell with best.
 
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