I sure don't like coming on here with this but... READ...

[Guvner]

We had a poster that put up a very detailed post about an indiscretion on finds put elsewhere and then posted as new here last night. Since the poster was actually a heavyweight in detecting circles, quoted in detecting books, etc. and did a lot of detailing about the said indiscretion we felt it was our duty to leave it up since all he was asking was an explanation for the problem. He had more things along the same lines. Thankfully he decided this was enough for now.

The member who was in question posted his answer saying he forgot to back date it a month and some other comments. Others joined in by the time I got back to look and we removed it again figuring I'd just give this speech.

I'll start with a tiny story and then pull away. I hunt with Mike Moutray, Golddigger and Bryce upon occasion. If we descended on a small, one block wide hunted out park, stayed for 6 hours and found 10 targets among us that would be pretty normal. If we came to the park 4 more times that year and did a little less each time we'd have a pretty good idea of the parks potential. Now if another guy came in there and found 50 targets the day after our last visit and posted about it you would have to believe we might have some doubts. I'm going to stop here and just say this.

People are everywhere. People watch you even when you don't know it. When you post here make sure you have your dates correct. Make sure you don't pile a months worth of finds into one hunt for show.

In essence please try to be as accurate and honest as you can. I've been skunked as have all of my friends who post here. No shame. It's even fun to talk about especially if it's them and not you and you were with them.

That's it...

Guvner..

 

[silverman]

 

[Eddie in Poulsbo]

Very good post Guvner and I am in the same boat as far as getting skunked from time to time. Sure it hurts to get skunked once in awhile, but it doesn't discourage me from getting excited about my next outing. As for those who want to lie about what they find and I'm not pointing any fingers, most of us can spot the difference between truth and fiction on what's being posted and if someone wants to call somebody out then so be it. Mistakes are made and if someone makes one then they should be entitled to correct it and I believe he did. I won't call out anyone as I have more important things to do and that's the way I roll.

Eddie

 

[MNCoinhunter]

Aside from having to locate my jaw after I saw the table full of silver coins, I found it very believable that someone who is dialed-in to their detector, might have that kind of success over a period of ten years. Call me gullible, but I like to give everyone here the benefit of the doubt.

Sheesh...and poor Bryce was catching flack over one silver quarter...lol. Peace

 

[Andy Sabisch]

As Eddie said, each of us look at posts and can make up our mind as to the validity of the post's content much the way we do when we go to a club meeting and see what is on the Find of the Month board . . . . .

There's no doubt that there are still untouched sites out there as many have found over the years but for those that have been swinging a detector for countless hours over many years, the days of pulling dozens of keepers from pounded sites have become rare exceptions for the vast majority of us.

Mike Moutray once said that when he first got his Explorer and it was once of the first in the area, he could not believe what was turning up in areas that had been hunted for decades. As time went on and the word got out about FBS technology, the number of sites that were as he put it - "UN-EXPLOER'ED" became fewer and fewer. Good finds were still being made but the days of pulling a double handful of silver, wheats and Indians had passed. As many of you remember waiting for Mike's weekly posts showing what came out of the St. Louis area on a regular basis, the finds slowly started shrinking and that was with Mike's "pre-marriage" devotion to the hobby; i.e., hunting every possible minute.

I think everyone enjoys seeing what others find as it motivates each of us to get up and hunt ourselves. As Eddie and others have said, we can choose to accept or dismiss what gets posted as being legitimate. I know I can say that in looking at some posts I must be living in the wrong area or need to make some different vacation plans as there are clearly some hot spots remaining to be detected. I have tended to focus on pounded sites that challenge me and cause me to hone my skills to see what I can coax out of the older areas. I get very lucky at times as those that know me can attest to but I also get skunked and I gave up keeping track of my hours as it would discourage me at times when I see a few Wheats or a silver dime with a fresh scratch (not sure how they get that way ) after a day in the field. Bryce is another hunter that also focuses on pounded sites to test his skill and relieve stress.

It would be hard to find a public park or school that has not been hunted numerous times over the years especially in larger cities where even veteran hunters tend to go to these areas to practice. Are there still keepers remaining? Sure but not in the quantity there was 30 or 40 years ago. Looking back over decades of logbooks, there are not a lot of 50 silver days (or even weeks) that I can count except for areas such as parks, schools or drained lakes where my father, brother and I were the first ones to hunt it.

I know there are still sites like that waiting to be discovered and I hope each of you has the opportunity to find one . . . . that will surely be a post all of us would be envious of and would love to read.

There are many detectorists that do not post anything they find yet from many of the E-mails I receive showing what is being found, there are some very impressive finds being made on a regular basis.

If someone posts what they claim to have found on a single trip, weekend or vacation . . . look at the post and either accept it at face value or move on . . . . . as they say, "Life's too short to worry about everyone elses issues!"

Hope 2011 is a super year for everyone on the forum . . . both in terms of finds in the field as well as life in general.

Best of luck!

Andy Sabisch

 

[Guvner]

I have seen some immense collections on tables after a years worth of finds. Pretty awesome stuff. I think that is what you were talking about. You haven't lived until you see a Mike Moutray presentation at a club meeting. Thank God he doesn't show us the clad.

Just everybody take care when laying out your finds from one trip and don't be shy if you had a good day.

In fact, if it was too good of a day contact me first and make sure it wouldn't be safer just to share your finds with me in the interest of making your good day a little poorer. I'll take the silver. You know, to make it more believable and all.

Just funnin' about and all but it is wintertime and all of us in the frozen sections of the country really don't like seeing all this stuff flashed in our faces.

Also keep this in mind. There's a lot of people with a lot more computer time then normal.

Enough of this... Good hunting and thanks for posting..

Guvner..

 

[captn_se]

If you have a problem or question about any of my finds/posts, please come to me "personally" and jusk "ASK!!" and I will clear up any doubts you may have. Making a few mis-interpreted deletions/modifications on my posts doesn't automatically conclude that a person is a fake/hoax, or is lying any way about what they're finding. I could see how a person could come up with a conclusion like this, but one really needs to make a concerted effort to talk personally to that person before making public accusatory remarks.

I'm very well known in the detecting community across multiple forums. I, like Bryce, take it very personally when someone publicly questions my posts or finds, as I'm sure many of you would. I've been posting my finds across three different forums with little flack. Sure, you get the ocassional bad reply. It messes with you mind a little(or a lot), and some decide to stop posting on the forums, while others don't let it bother them and continue to post.

If someone hasn't seen one of my posts before, then I'm positive they haven't been on the forums very much in the past 4 years. I've made hundreds of finds posts on my local CA forum (and other forums-many are duplicate posts, with just a few added or deleted modifications pertaining to the time I hunt or the friends I have on those forums), and am well-respected there amongst my fellow hunters. They know what I find......how much, how little......every time I hunt with them!! And one more thing.....I'm not perfect...nobody is!!

A little more about me....

I LOVE DETECTING!!....I EAT, SLEEP, BREATHE DETECTING!! I have put in thousands of hours (6-10 hr days sometimes) with my Explorer. When people commute to work in morning, I'm driving to the nearest park to detect!! I started detecting when I was in my teens, then stopped for a while due to other priorities in life. Then after having another bad fibromyalgia flareup in '06, I was unable to continue with my job as a computer software engineer and was on long term disability...... I was hoping my condition would go into remission, and after a good 12 months, I was improving....My body was very weak/frail and I needed to do some activity to get back to the the person I was before the flareup....I decided to give detecting another try.....I'm very glad that I made that decision... Not only have I become better physically from it, but I have met a lot of great people on the detecting forums who are just as fanatical/addicted to this hobby as I am. And my hunting buddies are "second to none"!!

I keep meticulous records of all my silver finds, listing the day, silver coin, year, mint mark, and most important of all, the park!! I've been doing this since 2007 when I purchased my Explorer SE. At the end of '07, I had found a remarkable 650+ silver coins, and over 3000 wheaties, lots of clad, jewelry, and relics (and lots of junk ) And guess what? Over 98% of these finds came from pounded Southern California parks!! That's right!! Parks!! I wouldn't have believed it if I wasn't finding all these old coins myself. I just knew the following year I would end up with a lot less silvers/wheats.....well, what do you know, I was right.....I ended up with 365 silvers. Thinking I would even find less the following year from these parks, and thinking I would have to start driving further away to find better producing parks, I remarkably found 251 silver coins in only my first 6 months of '09. I was headed for a 500+ silver year, but unfortunately my fibro condition flared up again, and I was out of commission for a good year. After about 12 months (July, 2010) I was able to resume detecting again.....I started detecting the same so-called pounded parks I had always been detecting just to get my strength back....well, a little over 6 months has elapsed now, and guess what?? My silver count is still pretty respectable....205 silvers and counting........the funny thing is that about 104 of them have come from only 3 different parks.....two of the parks I have hunted numerous times over the past 4 years, and one I have never hunted til this year. Some days I get just a few silvers from these parks, while other days, I find up to 12. If I would have thought a "so-called" park was hunted out, never returning to it based on my assumptions, I would have a lot less silver in my collection, that's for sure!!

Don't always believe when a person tells you a park has been "hunted out" or "you'll never find double-digit silvers in a day's hunt at this or that park"!! Don't believe it one bit, guys!! Maybe in some areas where guys who have put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into the hobby, swinging away for hours upon days, cleaning out areas with Minelab machines, great days are not possible anymore.....but, everyone, no matter how good you think you are in this hobby misses targets!! If we never missed a target, then would it make sense to go back to that park? Certainly not, but fortunately that is not the case.....I'm always pleasantly surprised to pull more silvers out of a park a day/month later than I did the day/month before. It happens all the time!! Don't ever give up.

I hope everyone has a great detecting year also!! Mine is starting out awesome!! 18 silvers in my last two hunts....and guess what?? All from pounded parks in Southern California... Enough of this crapola about "I don't believe one's finds"!! Let's all enjoy this hobby to the fullest......Like I always say before ending my posts..."Keep The Passion High!!"

PS - If there's anything else you'd like to know about me......JUST ASK!! (Bill, I'll even tell you what parks I'm finding them at, and how many!!)

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan

 

[Guvner]

You posted... "If you have a problem or question about any of my finds/posts, please come to me "personally" and just "ASK!!"

No one has to contact anyone about anything. That's what that post was all about. If you are posting finds here you are always at risk for being unbelievable. Even my finds are open to review if I post them here. You have to deal with it. If you put the wrong dates or someone gets caught posting exact finds that for one reason or another end up having some discrepancy I sure don't have a problem with a reader that pays attention questioning the post. There's no reason why this kind of thing shouldn't see the light of day. You have 30 minutes to get it right. So get it right. That doesn't mean it's open season on people finds. It means get it right and if you post in bunches of forums then don't wait a month to "catch up". If you hunt 12 hours a day you can also find time to be credible.

And contacting someone is not going to happen.The other day when we had an "incident" the poster who made the questionable post called the guy who called him out a "lurker" and insinuated other bad things when it was him that made all of the mistakes and "lurker" had all his ducks in a row. Since we hid the calling out post out of an abundance of caution and left the original post up that caused it. Probably should have taken them both down. I figured I'd just put up the warning above.

You certainly missed the point of my post. And don't message me about it.

Guvner..

 

[captn_se]

I was greatly unaware that anyone on this site, even with so-called documentation, could openly/publicly "question" a person's finds. I pretty much thought the rules of authenticity were fairly commonplace across the various detecting forums (at least in two other forums I am a member of). Yes, I took these from another detecting site.....Are you in complete disagreement of these, or do some apply here to this site? Are there a link for "rules of authenticity" that I can view on your site?

Or maybe I'm confused, and that "authenticity" only is concerned with a particular item found in a post and not the "post's authenticity"....man, I'm confused now...... Oh well, it's not the first time I been confused....

Thank yoiu,
CAPTN SE
Dan

Occasionally a member may have doubts about the authenticity of an item posted by another member. Here are a few things to keep in mind:

1. It is NEVER appropriate or permissible, regardless of proof, to state or suggest in an open forum that another member's find may not be genuine

 

[The Beep Goes On]

I really don't care if someone posts something that could be fictitious. To my way of thinking, the entire problem is their's and I could care less. IF the poster is falsifying finds it simply speaks of obsession and lack of judgement. When a small, rare, but ever-present issue results in a conflagration of related forum issues, you've got to wonder if we're missing the big picture.

 

[Guvner]

We hid this message in the interest of getting to the bottom of it. I told you I was done talking about it and you had a choice to make. Either let it lie or I would allow the post and let it play out. Here's the post by (wpaxt) a Find's Treasure Forum member without the screen captures which were all very authentic I might add.

Since I asked you to lay low until it blows over I was more then surprised when instead you have gotten twice as prolific posting everywhere. I would have thought you would have posted a correction with all your posting after we removed the "calling out post" listed below. You haven't.

Instead your solution is to warn people to never question your finds unless they do it privately. You might just be the greatest hunter ever for all I know. Maybe you could go into that imaginary park I mentioned in the post above and find 17 silvers and 101 wheaties the day after me and my 3 supposed experts worked for the 7 or so targets in our mythical final visit. But if you go there and post about it on two different forums and then come 30 days later to this forum and post about it as a fresh hunt and then impugn the guy who noticed the discrepency then we will have this problem. And that's the only problem we had except your handling of it. There's no imaginary code that protects you. It's not on Findmall's sacred wall anywhere I can find.

Post away my friend but don't post to me or my moderators on this forum. We'll do without your congratulations as well as your "holier then thou" talks about how no one has any right to ever wonder about finds. I'm in absolute awe of you and your finds, rest assured. Just leave me out of worrying about your credibiltiy. It's not my job and I will not under any circumstances hide a message again for your benefit. Don't talk to me and act like we're all buddies. I was as careful as I could be telling all of you to make sure you're accurate on everything. You just think getting loud and prolific is the solution to everything.

Below is the post that started the whole thing rolling. Captn_SE can put his answer down below it again as he did in the original post. Maybe he can leave out the names he called wpaxt this time. Nothing too bad except the dates were wrong and it was a month apart. Why wouldn't someone wonder. How it blew up and the reaction to it got me fuming. I don't have time for this and I really am done with this.

Below is a copy and paste of a post made by wpaxt on Find's Treasure Forums in the Explorer Forum. In the post is a copy of another post made over a month earlier on another forum. That's it. I have no idea on it. We report. You decide.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Minelab Explorer Forum
Display Moderator Functions



Puzzled by Capt. SE's

 

[Bell-Two]

My way of thinking if someone fabricates some find what good does it do him, he knows he's being untruthful and has gained nothing out of it. It doesn't matter to me if he truly found it or not...I "ain't" going to find it for myself anyway. There are some fantastic detectorist on here and other forums who make great finds, there is one guy who last year (2010) found a thousand yes 1,000 silver coins, his veracity has been vouched for by so many different people who witnessed many of his hunts it is probably without doubt authentic. So you just never know what is being posted is true or not but some fabulous days are exactly that fabulous days.

 

[captn_se]

and make clearer again the discrepancy in my posting that Bill laid out for everyone to see on this forum.

I'm not upset with you and can fully understand you wanting to have nothing to do with this.....me too!! It's quite ridiculous.

I honestly felt I was being attacked by a forum member for the post he made and that it could have been handled in a much, much better offline way!!....Even though he stated his response nicely, with full documentation, I felt like his intentions for doing so were very, very, very questionable!!

If forumites don't care either way about this (way too many other higher priorities in life than this), I'm 100% fine with that.......but, I have every right to defend myself when I feel someone has questioned any of my finds or posts!! And if I ask someone to please contact me to clear it up for them, and they refuse, well I guess there's nothing I can do....we have a right to not speak out either.


I was telling folks who made posts on this forum for the past month that I had "piles" of silver to post, and that I had slipped with my posting here at FindMall. Here's one reference to Bryce I made back in December:


December, 11th:

Bryce,

I'm really sorry to hear this may be your last hunt of the season. I'm going to have to start making more posts now to help you with your cabin fever!! I've been slipping big time on my posting here....I'll make up for that....I've got piles of silver to post!!!


Even in my own post, Dated Dec. 12th, I informed everyone that I had lots of finds to post from previous hunts...
To all my friends who can't hunt anymore for a while, just sit back and enjoy my upcoming posts. It's been a very productive couple of months for me....I've been "knee deep" in silver and coppers!! Enjoy!!!

So, I think everyone who views my posts/replies was well aware that I would be posting finds from prior hunts!!

I tried to be as accurate as possible by modifying some previously created posts I made on my local forum to bring them into this forum to show everyone, however, I accidentally deleted/modified some key verbage with regards to the exact month/date of when I made my finds.....Geebers!!!! ....nobody is perfect....Sorry about that!! The pics are identical to my original post on my local forum, so there's no question about that. Just some verbage. Bill thought when I meant "Monday" in my questioned post, that he thought I meant the previous Monday, but in reality, it was "Monday, Nov. 29th".

So, that's the descrepancy, and what started this whole ridiculous mess in the first place.....well, I do have another reason why I believe he decided to do this, and it's nothing more than a simple saying...."No one person can find everything in one park, no matter how good you think you are". Bill, just for you....I have the dates and silver coin finds I made from your so called "pre-hunted" out park that I made. I have them recorded on my Excel spreadsheet:

HDP (if that is the park you are wondering about) -
Sept. 17th - 6 Silvers
Oct. 4th - 5 silvers
Oct. 7th - 6 silvers
Oct. 21st - 5 silvers
Nov. 1st - 5 silvers
Nov. 8th - 5 silvers
Nov. 11th - 5 silvers
Nov. 22nd - 5 silvers
Dec. 2nd - 3 silvers
Dec. 7th - 2 silvers
Dec. 16th - 3 silvers

For a total of 50 silvers from said park. Wheatie wise, factor about a 5-1 ratio, so my wheat count was somewhere around 250 wheats. My two other hunting buddies who were with me have done very well also....I won't speak for them individually, but they collectively have found over 60 silvers/250+ wheats combined at this same "pre-hunted" park. Not really sure if I would even go back to this park anymore. It's a long drive for me, but it sure was a lot of fun the times I was there!!!

Oh, and on Nov. 29th, (the post in question):
OP - name of park close to HDP - 8 silver coins.

Thanks, everyone, for hearing me out!!
I will be more careful to get my dates, times, everything correct when I post from now on....however, you won't be seeing any park names in my posts! Been there, done that!!

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan

 

[Erik in NJ]

Even though he stated his response nicely, with full documentation, I felt like his intentions for doing so were very, very, very questionable!!

It seems to me that if the integrity of this forum is to be protected then someone must challenge anachronistic and/or contradictory posts - after all, you said you were "months behind in posting here", but the posts across forums were almost identical, so it doesn't seem to reason that it would have taken over a month and a half to copy your post to Findmall, just a matter of minutes.

I was telling folks who made posts on this forum for the past month that I had "piles" of silver to post...

I've been "knee deep" in silver and coppers!!...

I'm always sceptical of someone that makes statements such as these...funny thing is I have not seen you post a single copper...unless you consider wheat cents coppers.

December, 11th:

Bryce,

I'm really sorry to hear this may be your last hunt of the season. I'm going to have to start making more posts now to help you with your cabin fever!! I've been slipping big time on my posting here....I'll make up for that....I've got piles of silver to post!!!

I don't know - these sorts of comments sound very patronizing to me - if you're going to find silver for me while I can't get out to hunt then then send it to me or please don't make these sorts of statements at least on my threads. James ND used to say the same sort of thing and at least to me it rubs me the wrong way, but that's just me.

I tried to be as accurate as possible by modifying some previously created posts I made on my local forum to bring them into this forum to show everyone, however, I accidentally deleted/modified some key verbiage with regards to the exact month/date of when I made my finds...The pics are identical to my original post on my local forum, so there's no question about that. Just some verbiage. Bill thought when I meant "Monday" in my questioned post, that he thought I meant the previous Monday, but in reality, it was "Monday, Nov. 29th".

Now I'm confused - it sounds like you failed to include some key verbiage that the hunt was from over a month and a half ago - not accidentally deleted some -- that's a pretty big omission and I think rightly questioned. I think that some of your posts seem a bit ambiguous in that you have a week's worth of hunts that sometimes sound like a single hunt in which you have dug a hundred or hundreds of keepers. It might be in your best interest to post single hunts as most do....see below where you quote 3, 4, 5 silver coins per hunt as opposed to 19, 22, etc...

HDP (if that is the park you are wondering about) -
Sept. 17th - 6 Silvers
Oct. 4th - 5 silvers
Oct. 7th - 6 silvers
Oct. 21st - 5 silvers
Nov. 1st - 5 silvers
Nov. 8th - 5 silvers
Nov. 11th - 5 silvers
Nov. 22nd - 5 silvers
Dec. 2nd - 3 silvers
Dec. 7th - 2 silvers
Dec. 16th - 3 silvers

Oh, and on Nov. 29th, (the post in question):
OP - name of park close to HDP - 8 silver coins.

Thanks, everyone, for hearing me out!!
I will be more careful to get my dates, times, everything correct when I post from now on....however, you won't be seeing any park names in my posts! Been there, done that!!

Seems like you just named certain parks that others here hunt in by their initials. I guess I just wanted to say that I support Guvner's statements and I do feel that Bill was in the right as far as questioning your post in this case.

 

[Bell]

This guy for one couldn't care less one way or the other. I believe the posts I've seen and will continue to until something comes along to prove me wrong, and even then I'll most likely keep it to myself since in the end it doesn't really make a hill of beans difference so long as its not my integrity I've put on the line. In the end I think we'd all be better served by a lot more detecting talk, and a little less drama. Also I like looking at the pictures of all the pretty silver.
Happy hunting

 

[Andy Sabisch]

I think there are a few main reasons why we as a hobby frequent the forums and they include 1) seeing what others are finding to get a bit more motivation ourselves to find more on our hunts; 2) pick up some techniques that will let us do just that in the limited time most of us have available and 3) develop friendships with people that we may never actually see face-to-face but become good friends one the less.

I know I have done #2 and #3 countless times over the years and I can not begin to voice my appreciation for the Internet in general and the forums specifically for that. I have tended to not post finds I make although those that know me and hunt with me see the finds that come out of the ground. Unfortunately when I have posted finds, the negative posts outweigh any desire to share them and in talking to several of the veterans (most of you know the players), they have also done the same for the same reasons. Impugning the integrity of hunters such as Bryce Brown, Mike Moutray, Greg Moscini, George Streeter . . . . the list goes on . . . does nothing to add to the forum and in fact reflects negatively on the person throwing the mud.

It is always exciting to see what others find and when an untouched hot spot is uncovered, the finds are truly amazing. But having been swinging a detector for more than 45 years, the days of finding sites like this on a regular basis have unfortunately passed us by. When I first started, virtually no one knew what a metal detector was; however, recently people come up and ask me if I have a specific model or what I think of some other model. Public property sites have been hunted for decades and while no place is ever worked out, there are no more silver coins, Wheat cents, Indian Heads or other collectible coins being lost so when they are gone, they are gone.

With decades of personal experience as well as having discussed this with a number of very experienced hunters . . . . I would like to toss out a few numbers and do a little math crunching . . . . something many of us tend to do when we hear about finds and we try to see if there is something we could be doing better to boost our own finds or how we "stack up" so to speak.

See how these bullets match up with your experience:

• If one is hunting a site that is still in use, it has likely been hunted many times before
• If it is still in use, there will likely be a good deal of recently lost targets including clad coins, miscellaneous items (keys, buttons, etc.) as well as a nice amount of trash
• If it is an older site, there will be older targets but clearly fewer in number than the recently lost targets
• Unless the site is truly an exception, one can expect to find at best 1 old coin for every 3 or 4 new targets and if you are not rejecting all possible pieces of trash, the ratio is more likely to be 1 old coin to every 5 targets at best. I think many of us would be ecstatic with these numbers on a regular basis.
• Unless we are in a seeded hunt, a recovery rate of 15 targets per hour, every hour, would be a brisk pace . . . . that means from when a target is detected, pinpointed, recovered, the hole filled in and the next one detected would span a period of 4 minutes

So combining these bullets we have:

• 1 old coin for every 6 targets recovered
• 15 targets recovered per hour
• Recovering 100 old coins would require 40 hours of solid detecting time (6 x 100 / 15)
• Recovering 1,000 old coins would require 400 hours of solid detecting time
• Recovering 3,650+ coins would require almost 1,500 hours of solid detecting . . . . no breaks included in this total nor travel to the sites themselves (that's 30 hours a week for 50 weeks a year)

I really do not want to start a combative dialogue on this thread but rather wanted to toss out some numbers that come from my time in the field as well as similar statistics received from others with many years swinging a detector.

There are some extremely talented and lucky (yes, that is a factor as I can attest to based on some newbies I have seen make amazing finds the first time out) and when I see posts of what some of these people found in a

 

[dewcon4414]

I guess we all are subject to being challenged when posting finds. Its just how it is. We all have been out there you just never know whats going to be found. Its hard for people that have been in the hobby for years not to raise an eyebrow on some fines or comments. I guess we get a little skeptical with age and experience. Thou not good it keeps us honest if you want to post.


Dew

 

[Larry (IL)]

I will get in line with you Beep. If someone needs to post bogus finds to get those "attaboys" and WTGs for fulfillment, they have to be pretty hollow inside.

 

[Hawkeye Jim]

and I agree wholeheartedly with your assessments...........................HH all.

Hawkeye Jim.