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I just dont get it?

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All you guys rave about the XS about its great depth etc, yet look at all these complaints about depth? Hmmm?
Everyone (even the current owners) have readily admitted that the XS is made poorly (housing, stem, armrest etc) so I just do not get it?
So far there has been:
Control Housing Cracks
Armrest breaking
Headphone Jack problems
And Coil Cable problems within the Stem
Hard to pinpoint
Heavy & Unbalanced
Many posts about popping and squeaking shafts
Rusting screws (battery flap)
And overall sub-par materials
Poor Customer Service compared to other makers.
And not to mention you can tell by all the posts everyone is pleased as punch with their new purchase!?!?
No Flames intended!!!!
I just dont get it!!!!!!
 
There are too damn many Explorers out there now. If you don't know enough about the Explorer to make an informed post, then don't.
The housing and armrests have been fixed. They repair Explorers for free even if you are the tenth owner, (some poor customer service, huh?)
Easy to pinpoint after you have used it any time at all.
Rusty screw?Get real,that one is lame.
Coil cable problems with stem? The very first Coiltek WOT coils had too large a cable,those were replaced free, hardly a Minelab problem.
Heavy and unbalanced? Wussy, way lighter than a GTI 2500.
Sub Par materials?Yea that is why it has the best electronics made.
If this was not intended to be a flame post then why is it? I have a low tolerance to posts that have an attitude like yours does, if you don't want me on your ass, drop the attitude. If you are serious, A. you would post with an email address and B. you would phrase your questions in a much less aggressive tone like, "Has the cracking I heard so much about been fixed?" "Is the depth really as good as people say or is it just hype to sell detctors?" ETC. ETC.
This is a classroom to help new users. If you want to see finds these junk detectors make then go to the Explorer forum, compare them to <b>any</b> brand forum finds, no comparison,prove me wrong.
New users not being able to get good depth? I am sure you got great depth the first day you used your DFX, didn't you?
 
IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT TO SEE THE WOOD FROM THE TREES" AND WELL I GUESS, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I WAS SUCKED IN WHEN I BOUGHT ONE MY FIRST ONE A YEAR AND A BIT AGO AND THEN , OUCH, I GOT STUNG AGAIN AND BOUGHT A SECOND ONE TWO MONTHS AGO. THW SECOND ONE IS FOR A BACKUP AND COMPANION DETECTOR.
SO STAY AWAY FROM THE EXPLORER. OR YOU'LL BE, AS MANY OTHERS INCLUDING, MYSELF, REALLY, REALLY SORRY AND MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE , MAYBE TWICE.
MIND YOU, IF YOUE ARE MAD ENOUGH TO GET ONE. YOU WILL "GET IT".
EXPLORER IN A DISCARDED SHOE BOX WILL DO ME JUST FINE.
HARDNOSE.
 
Uh, oh you've gone too far and woke the classroom gatekeeper. Next you'll get a visit from the Guv and then you'll be history. Bye bye
 
Bill please don't buy an Explorer that will leave more in the ground for the rest of us to find. Have a nice day.
 
brains and a little bit of patience to become proficient with the Explorer. After reading your post, I would say you are lacking in at least one or possibly both of those departments. After treasure hunting for 20 years, I can say I have never seen a machine close to being as good as the Explorer!
Digger Doug
 
boy is this guy bitter or what??i have had my xs a year now .yes i have had some minor problems with cracking, and the hp jack braeking i also sent it back to minelab and had it back in 9 days and fixed no questions asked.Mark at minelab has always been VERY HELPFUL aand a pleasure to deal with a hell of a guy. i also have 2 garretts a gti2500 and gti 1500 the 1500 was gotten in march of 2001 and the sob went back for repairs 4 times in 10 months finally this week garrett replaced it with a brand new unit ABOUT DAMN TIME;;; as far as depth goes i am getting coins using my sunray stealth 8 inch coil that neither of my GARRETTS can even pick up . so lets stop the bs here minelab is a great unit ,it takes TIME to understand it but it cant be beat AND NO i am not a DEALER just someone who loves the hobby... PERIOD hh all and come on spring
 
He over analyzes everything when he bought a Garret GTI 2500 he checked it analyzed it for 15 minutes before digging. I had 10 silver coins in one evening hunt compared to his 1 silver dime..The Explorer XS mine has been replaced with NEW Composite materials. My DFX was so freaked out , I bought one of the first ones from a seminar I had banged my head for buying it! They fixed it and I am hapy now. Everyone buy a darn Radio Shack unit-leave all the goods for me ok...No one were I live in my area has one I love it! I hated it Soo much I bought another new one. After 5 days of hunting I found lots of old silver two heallava nice rings Plat.-Gold-Diamonds. I already paid for one of mine! MineLab Service is OUTSTANDING to Please The Customer! I love these guys! I might even send them all XMAS gift next year, no they are no good SC. Do the math before writing one off. My Honda Pacific Coast PC 800 is no good either it never sold well when it was first out and they stopped production. I paid new in 90 $6000.00, I turned down 9K for it last month, it's no good either....Uhhhhhhhh
 
thats why we use it.. we get it all the Whites left behind <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)">
 
Ok , so everyone assumes my deamenor while I was writing my original post was a SLAM of the Explorer XS.
Actually as I clearly stated "No Flames Intended" was exactly what I meant.
I have seriously looked at many current new models and YES the Explorer does have alot to offer, it alone has not had shortcomings. Take the DFX, the first run assymbly had serious stability problems!
I only mentioned the things that have been a issue.
So, being everyone assumes my post was bashing the XS when in all actuality I was trying to get some serious awnsers.
So, I will now write a very long descriptive post in a manner that will not cause, besiege, or otherwise upset anyone.
But before I do so I must state that Ric and several other of you are out of line with your personal attacks! For example the "Wussy" comment. Did I attack your deamenor? NO!
The same goes true for Digger Dave, your comment "saying I either lack "patience" or implying I may not be "proficient" is another example in my opinion (I will state it nicely) of ones ability to exspress ones self nicely while still addressing the issues at hand.
Now that I have cleared up the issue of personal attacks I will try to get clear and concise awnsers! If you harbor no ill feelings.
First after discovering the (spider cracks) at what serial number or date etc. was a notice sent out, posted or otherwise brought to a owners attention? Have they changed the compound or manner in which it is made?
Have the Arm cups been reinforced if so, please provide similair information as to the first question. Maybe this is a issue for some maybe not yet, I keep hearing about Arm Cup being fragile and breaking.
The rusting screw issue. Has this been corrected.
Even though it might not seem to have any meaningful relevance to some I personally would like to know.
The weight issue. Being that I have been unable to find a dealer or detectorist locally that might have one for me to base a opinion on.
I can only go by what I have been told here and from what I have read.
I have been unable to locate a spec. sheet giving the Explorers weight. I have detected with many 6000 di pro sl's and they are heavier then what I would like. How does the XS compare to the 6000 in weight.
On to a very important issue is the Warranty.
Once again I have seen many posts elsewhere that state the customer service could be better and is not comparable to say for EXAMPLE "Whites".
I would like to know turn around time from Mark.
Do you incur any shipping fees if the detector is found to have a manufacturer defect? Do they notify you if they have found a potential problem prior to any correspondence?
Pinpointing is a question rather then a concern.
Understanding the design difference between the DD and the standard concentric, can this be used as effectively once one has had reasonable time behind the unit?
Depth, whew this is a tough one. Evryone on here is staing it is superior in depth to the other manufacturers. Can I get a general rule of thumb?
Does anyone have a test bed with exact denominations, wear that has been buried at same depth, same angle for the same amount of time then done a comparison between different makers models? If so what was your finding?
The Headphone Jack issue. Has this been corrected? How can you differentiate between the non corrected and the corrected models?
Also, without spending more money is there anyone out there that has found a 1/4 to 1/8 adapter that will work? I know about the SunRay stand adapter but I am refering to the small Radio Shack style that appears to not work unless the shoulder is filed down.
Last I would like to get some responses regaurding (Ric's) comment about "they will take care of it with 10 previous owners" this is not his exact wording but is close.
The warranty states the it is for the original purchaser and is not transferable, but you comment indicates that is irrelevant.
Is there anyone here that can attest to Ric's comment concerning the warranty?
If this does turn out to be true and verifiable it makes more sense to buy one of the nine or so listed on the classifieds forum.
I might mention I have read Andy Sabisch's book twice over and have found it very interesting and intriguing.
Once again I apologize if I stepped on your toes!
I hope this clarifies my question "I do not get it".
Thank You
 
Ok here it is NPI, I will help you as best of my knowledge of 17 years of hunting-user experience permits. As well as an Ex-Engineer for GM, put in layman terms:
Issues of cracking: Fixed By Composite Replacement cases. MineLab replaces-repairs this issue even if you are not the original owner, doing so by goodwill to the customer-user alike. Contact Mark at MineLab to discuss, he is the Best Service Center Advisor, I have had the Pleasure of taliking to. I am not in a position to answer question for his company. But mine was repaired, with repairs done fast as any company in the world could do no better.
Weight Issue: I too have owned over 30+ 6000's-Eagle I-IISl's-5900's they are heavy-others, The Minelab is balanced well for me. The size of the coil is moderate.
Service From MineLab: Has Been Simply Fantastic! Read My Post On It, I have never been treated better by Any Company Ever Before! (! Means I am very Pleased-Happy)
Shipping: I paid USPS and MineLab paid-shipped the unit via UPS with a tracking # when I called or could have E-mailed.
Unit Comparisons: I will not start a comparison thing, every unit is better in respect than another in any different usage. But Bottom Line is it's a lot in the users hands be it my DFX or my Explorer XS-Garrett GTI 2500-Nautilus-Etc.
Andy's Book: You are heading in the right direction, my friend reading-studying the book is valuable reading. If you would have put up a E-mail< I would have offered off-list info. and even my Phone # to discuss anything you would like. I was a dealer (White's) but no more now, I was badly injured in auto accident. I'm not biased, but I like the Explorer XS very much-DFX Both are Fantastic units. It feels good for the two top detectors to be compared, but not argued. Tells you both are the best..NPI
 
Bill
Let me break it down for ya sport, We are happy. If your not. We are sorry to hear that but can't control your happiness for you.
If you just don't understand why we are happy, well life will always hold those little misteries.
No Flames intended.
 
Is making great finds your #1 priority? Forget all that other stuff for a minute and ask yourself this question.
Assuming the answer is yes then consider this, I have followed this forum since last June and the Explorer users post great finds week after week, month after month, from east coast to west. And not just a coin or relic here or there, the finds are in large volume, often from parks and areas that have been hunted for years.
Now if making great finds is your #1 priority and you want the unit which currently does this better than any other, demonstrated by finds posted on this forum, in volume, consistantly month after month, then buy an Explorer. If weight, balance, quality, durability is your #1 priority you could just buy a Radioshack detector. You get all that, you won't find much but it meets your needs. If you want both...well so do I. I wish the Explorer was light as a feather and I wish my new Explorer XLS got 40mpg but it doesn't. Set a priority and deal with the trade offs.
Cracks - old issue, just make sure you buy a newer unit or its had its plastic swapped out.
Armrest - The flaw is in the arm strap in my opinion. I don't use the strap and abuse the crud out of my Explorer with big 15 inch coils and my armrest has outlasted Dave Z's DFX armrest! <IMG SRC="/forums/images/biggrin.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":D"> Put the strap on, crank it down tight pulling the two sides inward and well you might break it. If you want to make great finds, forget the strap or build a better armrest, if armrest integrity is top priority then buy the Radioshack.
Rusting Screw - I have not heard of this problem but my Explorer has been rained on, sat in the mud, wet grass, washed, and no rust yet. If its a high priority take the first clad quarter you find and buy a stainless screw at Home Depot.
Weight Issue - It's heavy, MUCH too heavy in my opinion but then depth sucks on the Radioshack so weigh the pro's and con's. I use an old bowling ball strap connected to my belt, across my shoulder and hooked onto the Explorer, now it feels lighter than the DFX. Then there's the WOT-BOT for a totally weight free experience, I may even add a cup holder.
Customer Service - I work in a financial services industry for a Firm with 100,000+ partners and staff so let me speak to customer service...I have dealt with Minelab, Coiltek, and Sunray and their customer service is best of class in my opinion and I don't cut anyone a break on customer service.
Depth - Cross this concern off your list. My best dime was 11 inches and quarters and similar sized relics 12-14 inches. I have seen with my own eyes Explorer/DFX tests on the same target still in the ground in the field, Explorer wins. Not that the DFX didn't see the target it did, it just could not ID the target as accurately. How about a DFX ID'ing a silver SL quarter at 10-11 inches as iron when the Explorer nails it with a rock solid silver quarter ID? Or several barber and seated coins missed in DFX pounded areas the Explorer was able to ID among the heavy trash? The reverse is also true, the Explorer ID's iron and trash better than the DFX. BUT I give the DFX the edge IDing heavily coroded copper/brass with big halos. It's not just depth it's depth plus ID capabilities plus the ability to deal with trash and tough ground conditions and electrical noise.
Headphone Jack - Yup it works loose, I hit mine with the super glue, purchased the $20 Sunray stand with a 1/4 inch jack and found another 100 silver coins without any further problems.
Warranty - It would be nice if the warranty were transferable and longer but there's always that Radioshack unit. Another trade off issue for great finds. With over 200 hunts on my Explorer I have not had a need for any warranty work. Except for that headphone jack issue but I'm too busy finding stuff to send my unit in for repair.
My newbie finds for 2001 -
168 Silver coins, lots of rings, 100+ IH's, 5 large cents, a couple 2 centers. The silver includes 12 seated dimes, 1 bust dime, and 3-4 dozen barbers, all but a couple of the large cents were from well hunted parks.
Mike and Golddigger each had nearly 400 silvers. I already have 25 for 2002, you better hurry up and get your Explorer before we get it all! <IMG SRC="/forums/images/biggrin.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":D">
 
Now that is much better.Addressing the same concerns like you really are curious if the Explorer might, or might not be for you.
And actually, the wussy comment was the only thing I said that I wasn't too serious about. <IMG SRC="/forums/images/biggrin.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":D"> The Explorer is not balanced that well, not like a whites. My CZ-5 not hipmounted wears me out more than the Explorer does. I can hunt all day with my Explorer. Once in a while I switch over to my left arm, but not very often. I think the weight is close to the same as an XLT, just not balanced like one. There are many coils made that are much lighter than the stock coil.
I got my Explorer well used Nov 7th 2000. I used the minelab headphones a little while but hated them, the cord is way too short. I had a good pair of Koss Professionals that I wanted to use, so I made a 1/8"-1/4" adapter stand out of a long plastic mini m&m tube. It worked well, it kept the strain off of the 1/8" jack. In July I got a sunray stand as a birthday present. I have never had a problem with a loose jack, but it does happen. I "heard" the jacks on the newer units are better, but I have no way of proving that. Just get a sunray stand and you will not have to worry about it.
Mine is one of the first ones made and I have had bad cracks for a long time and they are not getting any worse. I plan on sending it in and getting the new housing, but it is not stopping me from hunting and as long as this weather is like it is I am using it. There has never (at least ever posted on the forums) been an Explorer become unusable because of the cracks, it was a minor issue that was blown out of proportion to try and stifle the Explorer phenomenon. They can't argue about the performance, so they have to have something to try and cut it down. I have beat the living hell out of mine, you can ask anyone that hunted with me and there are quite a few on these forums that have. Still works good as new.
Rusty screw, I have never looked, but I am not going to worry about a 1
 
There is some cost to be on the leading edge of technology. If you want 10 year technology, then buy it. I used to own one of them rugged snake killing machines.
 
Hi Bill fro back East,
First after discovering the (spider cracks) at what serial number or date etc. was a notice sent out, posted or otherwise brought to a owners attention? Have they changed the compound or manner in which it is made?
I believe a change was made to address the problem of the cracking in the cam-lock of the control box housing. To date it can not be confirmed that there was a change in the compound or the manner it was made. My personal observations, I have deduced that the plastic was not actually a problem, but rather the hole that was cut into it for the bronze pin and possibly the under estimation of load on this area supported by the pin and the cam that it locks. We were led to believe that a change in the plastic formula may have occurred, but apart from the content of the compound there is also the way it is heated and cooled and it
 
Thank you so much! that is the kind of no bs advise I have been looking for.I have been tring to decide between the whites and minelab.The heaveyness is an issue for me(im disabled)but If its not that much of a difference I would much rather find better /more stuff than my hunting partner(he uses a xlt) heheh Oh I have only found 4 coins so far this year 2 wheaties a 1875 seated dime and a 1867 indian head in vf40 shape (thats a pricey penny!!)and my first indian ever!!!!! Not bad for January. My old GMT finally petered out on me.So I am needing a new machine.I think it may be a minelab explorer.
 
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