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I have a question for Bobby.....

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Streak!

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Do you know if there are any Fisher pulse machines on the horizon??
I ask because we regularly attend a bi-annual hunt in Va....and the current theme seems to be RED HOT SOIL!!!!! The Red soil is the last bastion of Relic Hunting....as its hard to hunt with a VLF machine. Pulse machines RULE in the red dirt. Having said that.............the F75 does a remarkably good job in it....despite it not being a pulse. A number of participants have been using the F75 there with good results. I currently have a Garrett Infinium I use in that red dirt along with my F75..but it would be great to see a Fisher with similar capabilities. Any word on that??? Thanks in advance.. Streak!
 
My F75 and my hunting buddy's F75 ran like crap in that red clay and we didn't begin filling up a riker case until we switched detectors (me to the 1270). Maybe with the small coil the F75 may have been OK at best. Heck, BuckeyeBrad had to lift his coil a foot off the ground to make his find stuff......
The 1270 is the only Fisher to use there. I found that out at DIV-5....the best paid relic hunt of all time. Did you miss that one?
Don't hold your breath First Texas making anything close to an Infinium or the new Whites PI. I don't think it's an easy thing to make a tone ID PI. or everyone would have one out by now. I scuba dive & wade with my Infinium & love it after not getting the CZ-21 I asked for. I even use it in pounded parks for nickles and gold VLF's missed. Besides, if the F75 ran so well in that red clay there would not have been a parade of folks like yourself ordering Infinium's the week DIV-9 ended........
Bill
 
I was at DIV 9 and used an MXT and it was tough going with that machine. Bill, what do you attribute the 1270's success to? I have an F75, but I'm hanging onto my MXT as it has been good to me. I know that PIs will undoubtedly work better in that red stuff they call dirt, but won't you be digging a collection of nails with it? God knows I did with the MXT and I tried every trick I knew to try and tell the difference between nails and everything else.
 
I have a number of friends that did GREAT there with it, including myself. Too much machine for ya bud???? I saw you struggling with it there. Its not that hard buddy. Stick with it and you'll get the hang of it.............Eventually..................................
 
He dug a PILE of stuff,,,,,and taught me a thing or two. Disc mode actually turned out the be a BETTER producer than AM.....IF you figured out how to set it up. I put this to the test at the mini Dig...and he was absolutely right. I also had a conversation with Dave Johnson about it...and he said thats EXACTLY what he would have expected.( and I think Dave knows a thing or three about detectors) All you need to do is hunt in DE..with a VERY mild sens setting........disc on 6..and two tones. Ignore the ID....and dig everything that has a good edge to it. Buttons just POP....and you can pick em out LOTS better this way in heavy iron than you can in AM. You may not get quite the depth in Disc you will in AM....but its a GOOD producer. You can get nasty all you want Mr Ladd....but it wont change the facts.The F75 DOES work as pretty dang good in that hot soil.......but you have to give it a fair shake. Doesnt matter much anyway....because you'll probably just delete this post.
 
Streak,
I am indeed a outsider looking in but the fact that you are asking if there will be a new PI unit from Fisher while at the same time saying that the F75 was more than sufficient is a bit confusing. I too wish that Fisher would design a PI with multiple tones like the infinium, but like you I am still waiting. I believe what Bill Ladd was trying to say was that the history of First Texas does not lend itself to coming up with those types of machines. I enjoy hunting coins mostly and in my opinion the F75 is more that enough machine to handle that task , better that any others out there!! .I also realize that all the huts I saw at the DIV were found by the experts using PI type machines. That's the impression I got anyway. Lets face it,the first person that develops a PI with more than two tones and better discrimination will indeed win the day. I HOPE it's Fisher!!
 
The F75 did work well at DIV................for a VLF unit. Its important you make that distinction. A lot of guys do good there too with MXT's as well. Most machines will work there if set up right.and by using a good ear, but they are largely very limited in depth, especially in disc mode. The reason the F75 did good wasnt because of its fantastic deoth in hot soil..but because of its separation qualities....and the way it processes signals in disc. PI's largely ignore that kind of soil......so get great depth.,,,,even in bad soil.
in that hot gound there is no substitute for a GOOD PI, and I would love to get FT get their foot in the door with a competitive unit.
As far as the huts were concerned at DIV..............PI's didnt have a thing to do with finding them.....and I'd venture a guess that probably 99% of them were found by regular machines listening for deep iron.......or by good old fashioned trenching. Lots of those guys have YEARS of experience finding them.and know just what to listen for. I saw Jim Good find and giveaway a number of them to guys that couldnt find one.
I dug three myself...and all were found using my eyeballs and the F75.
Yep.............I and a number of others did good with the F75...........but a good Pi will do even better...........and since we dont get down there nearly enough.......I want every advantage I can get.
Hope I cleared things up a bit for ya........... Are you going to DIV X??? If so........... See ya THERE!! Streak!
 
I'm just smart enough to bring more than one detector and switch to the ones that work better.

Like I said, the 1270 smoked the F75 and T2 (you should buy the DVD and see, I'll even sign & number yours). Don't tell me I didn't give it a fair shake. An entire 1st day wasted was enough, & I wasn't gonna mess around & maybe get it OK running by day 3. Why take the chance when you already know the 1270 works well in that stuff. So, don't insinuate I don't know what I'm doing.......

You wanna drop names, I hunted alongside Tex Kinsey & his Whites PI. with the 1270. The 1270 heard most all the bullets he was. Me & Greg Toney trying the same thing on bullets with the F75 early on....not a peep. You can believe what you wanna believe.......hype what you want to impress Mike Scott. But, I filled a glass case full of bullets and buttons thanks to the 1270. Steve's display case is on my DVD. I saw a nice frame & an CS button......not a PILE of stuff (unless he hid the rest somewhere). At DIV-5 (you must have still been banned then?) it became kinda funny that the folks who ran around on disc mode found only the buckles and not much else. I wasn't going to take that chance.....

I'll say it again because I think it's pretty damn obvious (& the truth hurt I guess?). If your F75 ran so darn awesome, then why did you order a new Infinium as soon as you arrived home?? I'm sure the whole forum can figure out the answer.......

Now go run & tattle tale to Mike Scott all about what Bill Ladd's saying now.......I hear your good at that.
 
I'm sure glad that you are trying out the hard to beet fisher 1270,Heck the 1270 is only $559.00 shipped and i always knew it was top of the line.Bill i am waiting on you to try another great fisher.One of the best detectors on the market today The mity cz-3d.I believe that it will hunt right alone with the 1270 atleast better than the new fishers that are out today.I have a buddy That was using a new f#$*#@!#$R and the 3d smoked his detector.He has it on ebay for sale and went and purchased a new cz-3d with the serial number starting 1121 he is a big dog hunter now finding dimes at 10 inches. thanks bill for the trail on the 1270.Bill i also have a 12.5 inch eq2 coil for the 1200 series if you know anyone that wants to dig to china,and it is new with the cover.
 
I don't have a dog in this hunt with the individual posturing thing, but apparently I didn't explain what happened very well when I used the F-75 at Brandy Rock this last time. First off, I didn't have to hold the coil up a foot to find stuff. I'd started out using similar settings and coil sweep speeds and heights as I do around here just as a baseline approach. Of course I was in all metal with minimal audible threshold dialed in and a mid 60 to mid 70 sensitivity setting . I was having problems with the threshold fluctuations reacting to the hot soil and hence hearing (recognizing) targets when I swung the coil only a couple inches off the ground. I still found a few bullets and a button like that but my brain was on full metal fatigue by lunch time at which point I started to seriously experiment with settings, sweep speeds, and coil heights. In my mind swinging the coil farther off the ground would mean lost depth and less targets dug. And yes, I'd heard from others over the past several hunts that higher WAS better, but I'd never determined that first handedly and I'm one of those types that doesn't want "the answers to the test" before hand because I NEED to find out for myself. Sooooo, finally I took the time to do some comparisons on individual targets before I dug them and it soon became obvious that a higher threshold setting, a lower sensitivity setting, and a higher coil height (about 8" on the average worked pretty well for a good stable threshold) was a marked improvement TO ME. The 12" coil height remark I'd made was around one particular bullet that was sitting perfectly vertical, nose up and was deeper than any other that I'd dug but I could still hear it with the coil a foot off the ground. Sooooo, not trying to agree or disagree with anyone here..... but IMO and for me, the 75 worked great as soon as I learned how to "help" it do so. I'm sure I'll get additional learnings the next time. I too will be trying a pulse at the next hunt BUT I've already admitted to myself that whatever I've learned on it around here will probably be mostly useless in the red dirt (maybe not) and I won't hesitate to rely on and feel comfortable with the F-75 if I struggle with the pulse due to my own not being up to speed on usage of it in the hot ground.
 
I've used it quite a bit around here....and I'll tell ya.....it aint NO substitute for a good VLF machine in GOOD dirt. All it will do mostly is give ya a GREAT big headache!! :wacko:
I've heard a number of other new pulse users pretty much say the same thing about their new pulse machines. Don in Va is doing REAL good with his though...but I know he has put a ton of hours on it.
(He just dug a nice plate with it). you have to hunt real slow with it too....and its hard to throw that anchor out the first day and slow down!
I think the Pulses biggest strength is in that red dirt........where it will get superior depth. I'm kinda worried about the sheer number of guys that have bought one though. I'm thinking there will be this GIANT hum over the relic field!!! Ought to light the ground right up....and and annoy a few regular machine users.
I'm going to try a two fold approach. I'll likely use the infinium in fairly big patches of relatively clean soil. (for hopefully the deep stuff)...but I'm concerned about how it will do if it gets REAL busy...and there is a nail every 6 inches. (Like in and around hut sites) It will pick em up (the good ones)....but will I be able to separate them and tell the difference??
Like I said in an earlier post..........the F75 seems to do a good job of ferriting out the little conductors in busy sites....even in that RED dirt. Steve E TRIED to tell me that all through DIV X...but I had all metal stuck in my head for 99% of the hunt. It wasnt till the LAST day of the mini hunt I actually put it to the test...and was very suprised at just how well it worked. It doesnt get fantastic depth in disc there...but the little conductors like cuffs and such just popped....and it was FAR less mentally fatiguing. I tested it on various targets for about 4 hours..and it picked stuff out that got lost in the ground noise and clutter in All metal. The ID stunk....and I found that all you had to do was just go by the audio alone...and ignore the ID's, as most everything ID'd lower in that soil than in Decent dirt. If it sounded decent....I just dug it!
I think there is a place and time for BOTH of then there, depending on circumstances. I look forward to swapping notes with you at X. The few conversations we had at a couple of DIVs is the reason I ditched the X5 and went with the F75 in the first place. (and I havent looked back) I remember you doing well there with the T2 too ........was it at DIV 7??


one quick question?? Did ya get the Infinium....or TDI??? IF you got the infinium......there was a rash of bad DD coils for it....so you want to make sure yours is a good one. I had to have mine replaced. I also found I liked the 8" concentric over the Stock DD. The stock coil was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too heavy...and you had to swing it MUCH slower than the concentric. Got an anderson shaft for it too....which made a big difference in its comfort and swingability. I guess we will both have to cut our teeth on the pluse on Oct. Tony in Ohio and Donne both did well there...and have some sound advice for the infinium if you havent already spoken to them. thanks for your input Brad.............. Streak!
 
... I'm really not authorized to that level to even discuss what we have coming up. We all know what a big "woo-ha" it is to give information even when a unit is barely introduced. As for anymore PI units, I hear a lot about how awesome these machines can be and get questioned quite often for any future luck in a new product. The best I can offer you right now is for me to just ask ask ask... but even if I did get an answer, I think everyone would have to sit back and anticipate some kind of surprise, if any at all.
 
I jsut thought there may be a market for such a machine (not just for bad soil....but for the beach too). I'll just have to be patient!! :biggrin:
 
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