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I have 3 questions about the 10 x12 SEF coil that Bryce and many others rave about.

swingnlow

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1-I see alot of great threads about the SEF 10 x 12 coil, BUT.... no one that I can find has said if it is the "Detech SEF", the "EXcelerator SEF", or something else?

2-Is there a difference .. which one is better?

3-I also have a question about these and soil conditions. I have a SE Pro and use the pro 11" coil (and sometimes Excelerator 6 inch). My soil is VERY mineralized and very hard to see anything beyond 6 inches. I have read these work good in iron, are you referring to the iron rich soil or just nails beside the prize.

Thanks Randy
 
I think I can help a bit here. The "Detech" "SEF" and what have you...All are talking about the 12x10" Detech SEF coils. Some call them 10x12 coils, but the technical description is a 12x10, made by Detech, sold by Findmall as the official US outlet and Find Mall sponsor, and are called "SEF" coils.

There is the 8x6, 12x10, 15x12, and several other larger sizes of these unique coils. However, most seem to prefer the 12x10 in terms of maximum depth on coin/ring sized targets and still excellent left/right separation.

Far as handling rough ground or iron...Yes, on the FBS and BBS machines the SEF coils have a reputation for handling rougher mineralized ground or heavy amounts of junk iron while running smoother, which is a feat in it's self since Minelabs are known for doing that in the first place. They also seem (by my experience) more sensitive to smaller targets, and also have the ability to run at higher sensitivity levels not only by seemingly handling the ground matrix better, but also by seeming to be less prone to EMI.

They are unique coils unto themselves, and I'll dare say that at least for me the 12x10 is the best DD coil I've ever used in terms of depth, stability, and smoothness, along with pretty much all other aspects of coil performance in a coil roughly of that size.

There are some though who still prefer the Pro Coil over the 12x10, so my advice is to most importantly read Bryce's field reports of various coils, as well as to search this forum for various opinions on various coils and draw your own conclusions from there. Like all things in life, not all "advice" is the same, or of the same results for different people in different situations (soils).

I can only tell you that I've dug into the deep dark corners of the net reading extensively on coils for both the FBS and BBS machines, and contrasted that with my own experience with various ones, and have arrived at the conclusion that the 12x10 almost never comes off my land rig, unless I'm putting on a tiny trash coil for the odd very worst of trashy situations, of which most of the time I'm confident the 12x10 can handle most of that in terms of left/right separation, but of course in terms of the length axis smallest is still best IMO when you just have to sift through the trash by mere inches at a time length wise.

Most importantly I'd tell you to read Bryce's extensive field reports on the various FBS coils, because that is a solid foundation to form choices or opinions on, and contrast with what else you might dig up from others on your own, but the smart gambler will pay very close attention to what Bryce has to say for a FBS machine...

PS- One other item of note: I've got soil that spans from moderate to heavier minerals, and I can tell you I've used some very good coils and machines in my day in it, but the SEF coils set the bar a good bit higher in terms of what I expect now. I've read results, but more importantly I've seen and heard with my own eyes. I won't bore you with what I've seen the 12x10 do for me in both depth, separation, and stability on my machine, but I will say that if another coil comes along to replace it it's going to have to dig the coins up for me on it's own to prove it's a worthy replacement. :biggrin:

You might also look into the very new 13" Ultimate coil that is also made by the same company (Detech). While it might not be a replacement for the 12x10, many seem to think it has some unique qualities all of it's own that makes it worthy of consideration in a line up of larger coils for a machine.

Bottom line though is to read Bryce's field reports on various coils and decide from there, because the same coil on different machines can have very different performance characteristics. Not all coils are a good match for all machines, so if you want to hear "the final word" on a coil for your Explorer, then look no further than what Bryce has to say. He's done a great service to the Minelab community, and his expertise on coils is legendary by all the experience he's had and reports he's done on various coils for the FBS models. Read his reports and you'll have a good idea of just what to expect from various coils, or in this particular case the SEF coils...
 
Critterhunter said:
sold by Findmall as the official US outlet and Find Mall sponsor

Sorry, meant to say sold by Kellcyo as the official US outlet and is a Find Mall sponsor.
 
Thank you Critterhunter, ---- The only 12 x10 SEF I see on Kellyco sight is the EXcelerator brand

Reading the reports from Bryce was what lead me to buy the 6 inch EXcelerator (from Kellyco) and now to inquire about the SEF12 x 10.

Does anybody have a side by side comparison of the SEF 12 x 10 and the 13" Ultimate, and how they would work in my hard-to-see-thru soil.

My soil is so mineralised that most of the time I have to de-tune my Garrett Pro Pointer to help it see only a larger target and not just dirt.
 
The Excelerators are round DD coils that Detech has made for years, and yet you hear very little on the 12 to 18" sized ones on the forums for some reason compared to other coils. The 5 or 6" solid Excelerators for sure have a following though.

Bryce has done several reviews of the 13" Ultimate and does touch on some aspects of it and the 12x10. Look in the coil sticky in this forum for all his coil field reports and you'll find that. The Ultimate is so new that many are still sorting out it's performance aspects compared to the 12x10 and other coils, but Bryce already has already gave some opinions a bit on that in those field reports and has some interesting stuff to say.

I'm testing this coil against the 12x10 and my stock coil right now myself in various head to heads, but it's not on an Explorer so I won't bore you with the details, as different coils can have different results on different machines. I will say though that everything I've experienced so far jives with what Bryce has touched on in his field reports. His information you can put in the bank concerning your Explorer coil options and how they performed for him, so thats where to look.

PS- If your Pro Pointer is giving you issues in your soil sometimes don't de-tune it with metal. Sometimes that happens to me at my worser sites and I just turn it on with the tip touching the ground and it'll auto tune to not false on the ground matrix at power up that way. Works like a charm. Only time I'll de-tune it is if I'm trying to sort out several targets in the hole, but I rarely do that, and more often than not I'll super tune more than anything.
 
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