Hello. Well in my soil in most places here in upstate New York almost every detector I've used detects far deeper in the ground than in the air. Almost every coin in the ground here has a corrosion patch around the coin, when I remove the soil I can see where the coin is before seeing the coin, I call this coin dirt. I've dug coins at rediculous depths which I won't mention because I don't want to here the greef. One way you can tell is when you have a slight coin signal and then after you disturb the dirt it disapears, this is because you have disturbed the halo so now the target appears much smaller to the detector. As far as Engineers go I grew up in a family of engineers and generally speaking they are great at design but not at use, many don't even have a clue as to the potential of thier machines, If you happen to have a GTI you can prove this to yourself. The GTI pinpoint mode will correctly ID a quarter well over twenty inches with no audio, the audio disapears around twelve to fifteen inches. Now the engineers told the garrett forum this is impossible, well thats funny because I spent five years and a couple of thousand hours using this tecnique a my old fairgronds and recovered hundreds of extremely deep silvers using this method. Now the old tr detectors will not generally goe deeper than an air test but in mild soil any vlf should detect any OLD target deeper than the air test. Good luck hunting, Darryl.