JASONSPAZ1
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For the beach, I was considering trying to hunt in pinpoint mode. Anyone try it? Any tips.
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hunting in pinpoint mode on the sovereign GT.
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GroundScanner
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Mine should be here Tuesday and then the questions begin , lol but need to get it 1st.
Critterhunter
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If the beach is heavily mineralized even just using the same sensitivity setting stable for disc and at lowest volume still punches deeper for me, but for sure full volume and full sensitivity (which is usually possible most of the time even around EMI or heavy minerals for PP) will punch down to PI-like depths. I've heard there are roughly about 10 words in PP to judge targets by, and 1 to 4 responses or so that will indicate iron without needing to flip back to disc to judge. Fuzzy approach/leaving target, one way "zings", broad responses, and such are usually iron when I've checked them in disc or dug them out to be sure.
On the GT I've been told that indeed, unlike the manual states that PP is a form of all metal that lacks a ground balance, that an Email I got from somebody at Minelab stated that PP uses the ground balance setting set by All Metal Tracking, just like the All Metal Fixed mode doesm. They also seemed to imply that when flipping to disc and it's unique way to ignore the ground signal, that when you flip back to PP or Fixed from it you'll still have the last ground balance setting being used for those.
Way I've been using PP on the beach is this- If targets are not plentiful in disc or I only seem to be digging shallower/lighter fluff targets and not heavier ones that might indicate where the gold is settled, then I'll flip over to PP from disc. If in PP with the same sensitivity and low volume setting for disc isn't popping me to the depths I want to achieve, then I'll raise sensitivity to full blast and volume too to insure PP's max depth abilities. Now it's a game of either flipping back to disc for a second to see if I can get a response to judge it further, and if it nulls then it's iron, but if it's deeper than disc might be able to see *for that given site's minerals in terms of depth*, then I might go ahead and dig it anyway so long as PP isn't indicating an obvious iron hit to me.
The other perk to PP is being able to scan faster covering ground, as it's more prone to sound off to stuff near the coil's edge as you sweep faster than disc is. I like to find targets in PP in the sand now, and even some on land here, and then flip back to disc and wiggle right over it. If it doesn't sound off then I make decisions on digging it from there based on it's depth. One handy thing about PP is that in some bad minerals or at extreme depths, a target won't sound off for me in disc unless I get right over it and do the Sovereign wiggle. That alone makes PP worth using at some sand or land sites, even if you don't need the PI-like depth of PP for a given situation.
What I'm most excited about isn't just about beach hunting with it, but also hunting land sites where I know deep coins exist, beyond the reach of "conventional" VLF technology. In that situation I'll just ignore any signals in PP that sound shallow enough for other machines to find, and will look for the deep softer whispers that probably can't be reached by other machines unless they are PI units. Those are the ones I'll be going after on land, and if they are not giving me an obvious iron response and seem about coin size then I'll be digging to China to see what pops up at some sites.
If you don't have a remote PP switch no need to switch back to disc after a bit of experience with PP. It'll soon become obvious what is iron and what probably is not. Just the same, with my remote PP I often still flip back to disc just to be sure I'm still learning things right on what it's teaching me. Still very new to it only seriously starting to use PP about mid summer later year or so, but man is it impressive in some situations.
For me I've tested it and on at least my GT lowest volume has no impact on depth for disc, but for sure full volume gives PP more depth. Might be prior Sovereigns though need volume at full to insure max disc depth, as I know I've seen this when playing around with a few friends Excaliburs here and there. Might also be that even on the GT certain headphones won't sound off to deep stuff at lowest volume. At least with my Sony Studio phones precisely measuring depths full vs lowest volume in disc is showing me no impact at all, but PP showed drastic changes in depth when increased to full volume.
I've heard some say that in PP mode full sensitivity is pretty much possible at all locations. So far I see this to be true for me too. At that badly mineralized beach and also mineralized land sites full sensitivity has no issues with stability for me in PP mode. The trick I think OBN told me a while back is that with full blast sensitivity in PP even if disc is unstable, it's not really an issue since if you are switching back to disc it's only for a split second to wiggle over a target and see what it is. By doing the Sovereign wiggle the ID and tone will still stabilize pretty much to give you an idea of what the target is, even if the machine in disc at full sensitivity is going off like a pinball machine.
On the GT I've been told that indeed, unlike the manual states that PP is a form of all metal that lacks a ground balance, that an Email I got from somebody at Minelab stated that PP uses the ground balance setting set by All Metal Tracking, just like the All Metal Fixed mode doesm. They also seemed to imply that when flipping to disc and it's unique way to ignore the ground signal, that when you flip back to PP or Fixed from it you'll still have the last ground balance setting being used for those.
Way I've been using PP on the beach is this- If targets are not plentiful in disc or I only seem to be digging shallower/lighter fluff targets and not heavier ones that might indicate where the gold is settled, then I'll flip over to PP from disc. If in PP with the same sensitivity and low volume setting for disc isn't popping me to the depths I want to achieve, then I'll raise sensitivity to full blast and volume too to insure PP's max depth abilities. Now it's a game of either flipping back to disc for a second to see if I can get a response to judge it further, and if it nulls then it's iron, but if it's deeper than disc might be able to see *for that given site's minerals in terms of depth*, then I might go ahead and dig it anyway so long as PP isn't indicating an obvious iron hit to me.
The other perk to PP is being able to scan faster covering ground, as it's more prone to sound off to stuff near the coil's edge as you sweep faster than disc is. I like to find targets in PP in the sand now, and even some on land here, and then flip back to disc and wiggle right over it. If it doesn't sound off then I make decisions on digging it from there based on it's depth. One handy thing about PP is that in some bad minerals or at extreme depths, a target won't sound off for me in disc unless I get right over it and do the Sovereign wiggle. That alone makes PP worth using at some sand or land sites, even if you don't need the PI-like depth of PP for a given situation.
What I'm most excited about isn't just about beach hunting with it, but also hunting land sites where I know deep coins exist, beyond the reach of "conventional" VLF technology. In that situation I'll just ignore any signals in PP that sound shallow enough for other machines to find, and will look for the deep softer whispers that probably can't be reached by other machines unless they are PI units. Those are the ones I'll be going after on land, and if they are not giving me an obvious iron response and seem about coin size then I'll be digging to China to see what pops up at some sites.
If you don't have a remote PP switch no need to switch back to disc after a bit of experience with PP. It'll soon become obvious what is iron and what probably is not. Just the same, with my remote PP I often still flip back to disc just to be sure I'm still learning things right on what it's teaching me. Still very new to it only seriously starting to use PP about mid summer later year or so, but man is it impressive in some situations.
For me I've tested it and on at least my GT lowest volume has no impact on depth for disc, but for sure full volume gives PP more depth. Might be prior Sovereigns though need volume at full to insure max disc depth, as I know I've seen this when playing around with a few friends Excaliburs here and there. Might also be that even on the GT certain headphones won't sound off to deep stuff at lowest volume. At least with my Sony Studio phones precisely measuring depths full vs lowest volume in disc is showing me no impact at all, but PP showed drastic changes in depth when increased to full volume.
I've heard some say that in PP mode full sensitivity is pretty much possible at all locations. So far I see this to be true for me too. At that badly mineralized beach and also mineralized land sites full sensitivity has no issues with stability for me in PP mode. The trick I think OBN told me a while back is that with full blast sensitivity in PP even if disc is unstable, it's not really an issue since if you are switching back to disc it's only for a split second to wiggle over a target and see what it is. By doing the Sovereign wiggle the ID and tone will still stabilize pretty much to give you an idea of what the target is, even if the machine in disc at full sensitivity is going off like a pinball machine.
JASONSPAZ1
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Critterhunter
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I have long heard PP gave some PI-like depth on these BBS units. In that respect, here's a few more recent excerpts concerning that...
Only thing I'll add, is that in the short amount of time I've been using PP mode on my GT, at one particular very mineralized beach that is also not totally free from sources of EMI, I have always been able to run sensitivity at full blast in PP mode without stability issues, and that includes using the SEF 12x10 or the 13" Ultimate coil.
The SEFs are known for rock solid stability, being able to handle EMI or minerals rather well, while on the other hand the Ultimate is a good bit more prone to EMI or mineralization. Both coils could handle this beach in PP mode with sensitivity turned completely to max, so to me it's a good contrast of just how stable PP mode is even at a beach loaded with black sand, minerals, and microscopic iron.
Thinking back on it since I began using PP here and there in any kind of more serious way in about half a year's span here, I don't think I've ran into any situation using PP on land or at any beach or in the water as of yet where it gave me issues with sensitivity cranked to full, but of course that might not be the case for others in certain EMI or mineralization situations. Just the same, PP will punch deep for me even when I've kept sensitivity at the same level where disc was stable for the given site.
PS- Now that I think about it, at that one particular beach I did one day run into a situation where suddenly PP started making a slow "pulsing" type noise, although it wasn't enough of an issue to have to lower sensitivity from full. If think I was using the loaner 13" Ultimate I had at the time. Turns out this beach has some nearby very strong EMI source like an electric dog fence perhaps that comes on right around the same time every day, because a few friends had remarked on instability issues where they had to lower sensitivity (in disc) when hunting there with their Excaliburs. I'm thinking it's a timed device for either a security or dog fence from a large house very near that section of beach we were at.
Tony said:
Tom Slick said:
Only thing I'll add, is that in the short amount of time I've been using PP mode on my GT, at one particular very mineralized beach that is also not totally free from sources of EMI, I have always been able to run sensitivity at full blast in PP mode without stability issues, and that includes using the SEF 12x10 or the 13" Ultimate coil.
The SEFs are known for rock solid stability, being able to handle EMI or minerals rather well, while on the other hand the Ultimate is a good bit more prone to EMI or mineralization. Both coils could handle this beach in PP mode with sensitivity turned completely to max, so to me it's a good contrast of just how stable PP mode is even at a beach loaded with black sand, minerals, and microscopic iron.
Thinking back on it since I began using PP here and there in any kind of more serious way in about half a year's span here, I don't think I've ran into any situation using PP on land or at any beach or in the water as of yet where it gave me issues with sensitivity cranked to full, but of course that might not be the case for others in certain EMI or mineralization situations. Just the same, PP will punch deep for me even when I've kept sensitivity at the same level where disc was stable for the given site.
PS- Now that I think about it, at that one particular beach I did one day run into a situation where suddenly PP started making a slow "pulsing" type noise, although it wasn't enough of an issue to have to lower sensitivity from full. If think I was using the loaner 13" Ultimate I had at the time. Turns out this beach has some nearby very strong EMI source like an electric dog fence perhaps that comes on right around the same time every day, because a few friends had remarked on instability issues where they had to lower sensitivity (in disc) when hunting there with their Excaliburs. I'm thinking it's a timed device for either a security or dog fence from a large house very near that section of beach we were at.