Just wondering if anyone hunts without any discrimination at all. I just watched a video of a guy hunting in all metal in a supposedly hunted out park. He got a small high pitched signal for just a moment and then it disappeared and he got nothing but an iron signal. He dug to investigate the peep of a high tone and pulled a Mercury dime out of the ground. It was next to a large chunk of iron. He said in the video that is why he is a big advocate of hunting in all metal with his Minelab. He also said that he wouldn't have gotten the high pitched peep if he used any discrimination at all...and that's why everyone else missed that Merc. I think it's worth a try but am wondering if anyone else hunts in all metal. I would think it would be no problem with 4 tone or multi. The pitch of the tones does the job of discrimination. So why use any discrimination?
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Hunting in All Metal
- Thread starter gibsondan
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Come and hunt with me in the big NYC parks. Were talking mass amount of people a weekend here. You do hear the marks within the trash in the stock coin mode. When you hear the blip within the null switch to qmask "open screen" and find it. Where i hunt there a thousands of people every day. Its a carpit of bottle caps and pull tabs 3in down,......every inch mind you in parks over 100 years old. If i had a park with little to no people per week i would open it up too. Agian this all relates to your area, soil and situation.
Arturo de Zorro
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he was hunting in iron mask -16 (same as all metal) and using ferrous mode which was a high tone on coins. With the E-Trac in all metal, it can be done only in ferrous mode with 4 tones or 2 tones but a coin wouldn't sound high in ferrous, there is no way a E-Trac can be used in all metal in conduct mode, way to many high tones from large and small bits of iron, you would have sore ears in a short time. Maybe he is using one of those magic combine patterns.
gibsondan said:
What proof do we have that he wouldn't have heard it if he had been using discrimination? The E-Trac seems to work better with discrimination. The E-Trac hits silver hard, so I think anyone going slow with an E-Trac would have found the dime. Deeper dimes, iron or no are easy to walk over as they are small targets. Why should I make myself nutso hunting in all metal when I can confidently come home with 2-3 silver coins every time out using coins mode in "hunted out" trashy sites? I agree with EZ that if I was hunting an open field with little trash I could run it more open or in relic mode, but in a trashy park, forget it. The reason to hunt with discrimination is that Minelab (or at least Andy Sabisch) recommends it and it works. I think Andy is the one who said that, "if you hunt in all metal you will miss good targets next to trash". The reason, I think, is that the detector will lock on the stronger signal. If the stronger signal is trash, then you won't hear the coin. If the junk is disc out, you will hear the "peep" of the coin and not the trash.
I have hunted here with a guy who has an E-Trac too. He hunts in relic mode which is almost wide open. He digs more junk than me and more deep junk. I have beat him on silver and wheats every time we have been out. He gets old coins, sure, but I would get those same coins and then some. I believe his silver count for the year is 61 and mine is 102 (wheats 350 vs. 500) and we are hunting the same pounded parks and schools. Discrimination rules in my book!
What i would like to see is something like this. Set the ET so you only get a tone on targets that are 3-4 and deeper. Wile it will still read targets from surface to 3-4in you dont get a tone for them. Same thing for all metal. You chose what tones/targets you want to hear even tho your picking up all of them. Going today to pick up my permit so i can get some hunting in. Should be interesting to hit the beach this year with the ET.
Oh yeah EZ, I want that too! Depth discrimination. I know one of the Garrett 
machines had it in the 70s or 80s and it was a failure, but I would love to blank out the top 3-4" of targets. Even if you just used it a while, your ears would get used to the deep sounds and then you could turn it back off and your ears would be trained for deep hunting.
machines had it in the 70s or 80s and it was a failure, but I would love to blank out the top 3-4" of targets. Even if you just used it a while, your ears would get used to the deep sounds and then you could turn it back off and your ears would be trained for deep hunting.Arturo de Zorro
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or an older Explorer with the butterfly coil, he is using open iron mask -16 in ferrous. This is a common way to hunt with the older Explorers and is the same reasons why many didn't care for the E-Trac with no ferrous high tone. I agree with Nick and the others that no discrimination in a trashy location can over look the deep high tones.
Arturo de Zorro
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it with the Explorer II I had and it seem to work, what I mean is that I was at this park about 2 years ago and I was finding coins all over with no trouble but in the center of the park a circle of dirt (30'X30') very trashy I was not finding coins I knew there had to be some, then I remembered reading about surface blanking so I then set the surface blanking on the Explorer and started finding coins. Could I have found these same coins by changing to another discimination pattern (that is what you do when using surface blanking) or changing the sensitivity, yes, I am sure. That is why I guess I never set it up again, it has to be set up at each location you can not make it a saved pattern because each location is not the same and they all have different trash. I will try it on this E-Trac soon and let you know what I think about it.
Here in the uk most people hunt all metal
and u need to be in conduct sounds as u get beter target id from the tones so no wasting time looking at the display
plus in ferus mode you will not hear all the things you will in conduct
start of just discriming nails for a bit
then run her wide open it takes time but you will master it give it a few months and you will find coins that others will just not get
but remember on a good patch very slow and low your ears will pick out the silver
Be brave thou and try maximun tones with good ear phones and practice
will then be like pushing a dyson round these so called hunted out sites
good luck
and u need to be in conduct sounds as u get beter target id from the tones so no wasting time looking at the display
plus in ferus mode you will not hear all the things you will in conduct
start of just discriming nails for a bit
then run her wide open it takes time but you will master it give it a few months and you will find coins that others will just not get
but remember on a good patch very slow and low your ears will pick out the silver
Be brave thou and try maximun tones with good ear phones and practice
will then be like pushing a dyson round these so called hunted out sites
good luck
Slay in IA
Member
I watched this video also Dan. Niagra is using an Explorer SE not an E-trac that is why he can hunt open screen in ferrous sounds and have silver sound off next to iron but I bet it's not real close to the iron and I'll bet it's not below it or all he would hear is the iron.