As you may have seen in my earlier post I went out with my 13 year old son today. He has never used any detector other than the $30 type. I let him use my old White's Eagle while I used my Etrac. We spent about 1 1/2 hrs in some matted down tall grass at an old playground. In between showing him the finer points of the White's I got in a few swings and came up with 10 clad and these two silvers, both had the sweet silver sound. The dark circle in the picture is my jewlers loop used as a telephoto for the digital camera that couldn't focus close enough. Thanks for looking.