Even with the current models I see this old work horse Fisher still one of the top performers on the beach.Yea I know the Excalibur is in the top also.
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How would you rate any CZ on a Salt water beach wet or dry sand.
- Thread starter Ron from Michigan
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Atlantic Ocean Beaches. It functioned well most of the time after ground Balancing in manual. I did have to turn the sensitivity down, or I got false signals.
When I tried to fast GB the machine it made pops and crackling noise even though it was a silent search machine in Discrimination. I also found that removing the coil cover while on the beach helped a lot. After about an hour the coil filled up with sand under the cover, and that made the machine unstable.
I know you were looking for more info but that is all I can offer with my limited once a year usage on the beaches.
When I tried to fast GB the machine it made pops and crackling noise even though it was a silent search machine in Discrimination. I also found that removing the coil cover while on the beach helped a lot. After about an hour the coil filled up with sand under the cover, and that made the machine unstable.
I know you were looking for more info but that is all I can offer with my limited once a year usage on the beaches.
Elton,good information.Thanks
Years ago when I hunted saltwater beaches in the wet sand CZ and Sov. were certainly the best for beach hunting...Now if you go in the water a CZ21 or Excalibur the water versions excell.
I also know PI units work well but are backbreakers especially where I hunted with all the Ferrous junk in the sand as not about to dig a foot for a Bobbi pin and all the rest of the junk..
I also know PI units work well but are backbreakers especially where I hunted with all the Ferrous junk in the sand as not about to dig a foot for a Bobbi pin and all the rest of the junk..
You can run em in discriminate or all metal and they are stable. For the most part, if you are dry and wet sanding, I would suggest the CZ5, 6a or 70 since they have the ability to run in Normal mode in the dry sand and will be more sensitive to gold. The CZ20/21 is in permanent salt mode and for dry sand hunting, will be less sensitive to gold.
In the wet sand, the same goes since there may be some beaches where you can ground balance in Normal mode...but the unit may be a little unstable. You can then switch to Salt mode, re-ground and be on your way.
I have hunted with CZ's for almost 15 years on the beaches in NJ and have found tons of great finds. I mostly run in discriminate mode since a lot of the beaches have lots of iron and nails, but I run in 0 setting to listen to all the targets. When the beach is somewhat clean, I run in all metal and then check the target by switching to discriminate. But some deep targets will ID as iron and you have to dig them. Most times, if I am in the dig all mode, I just use my PI's.
You can't go wrong with a CZ. Very simple to operate, 3 or 4 tones only depending on the model, and you dont' really need the meter when beach hunting in discriminate mode. Dig all high and mid tone targets and the very faint, small, deep low tones if you want to. It has modulated audio if you want, so the deeper targets sound soft when running volume 5 or lower.
I mostly use the 8 inch coil on my CZ6a, even though I have both the 10.5 and the Sunray FZ12 coils. I just find it's easier to swing, pin points without having to use the pin point button and I just find lots of good stuff with that coil.
JC
In the wet sand, the same goes since there may be some beaches where you can ground balance in Normal mode...but the unit may be a little unstable. You can then switch to Salt mode, re-ground and be on your way.
I have hunted with CZ's for almost 15 years on the beaches in NJ and have found tons of great finds. I mostly run in discriminate mode since a lot of the beaches have lots of iron and nails, but I run in 0 setting to listen to all the targets. When the beach is somewhat clean, I run in all metal and then check the target by switching to discriminate. But some deep targets will ID as iron and you have to dig them. Most times, if I am in the dig all mode, I just use my PI's.
You can't go wrong with a CZ. Very simple to operate, 3 or 4 tones only depending on the model, and you dont' really need the meter when beach hunting in discriminate mode. Dig all high and mid tone targets and the very faint, small, deep low tones if you want to. It has modulated audio if you want, so the deeper targets sound soft when running volume 5 or lower.
I mostly use the 8 inch coil on my CZ6a, even though I have both the 10.5 and the Sunray FZ12 coils. I just find it's easier to swing, pin points without having to use the pin point button and I just find lots of good stuff with that coil.
JC
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Willee - Texas
Well-known member
I would rate them better than any single frequency detector other than the PI's.
Still you would need to learn how to set it up properly for wet salt water sand.
Willee
Still you would need to learn how to set it up properly for wet salt water sand.
Willee
Willee,Thanks Ron
therover hits it pretty well.
After re-reading many of his posts, those of others, and a little bit of back and forth; I started running my CZ6a in auto-tune (all metal) with the sensitivity nearly maxed, or maxed if conditions allowed and the volume set on 7 or 8. When I got a little change in threshold, I'd slow the coil to a very slow sweep and thumb the knob from auto tune to discrimination setting 0 and listen to all tones.
Normally, in discrimination mode, can't hunt with any where near that high sensitivity, even at pretty slow sweeps because of all the falsing. Using the auto tune and switching to discriminate technique, once a target is found and then sweep is slowed way down over the target, the discriminator mode then gives pretty good information on surprisingly deep targets when running at very high sensitivity levels.
Running the Sunray FZ12 coil and hunting like this, I am now digging good targets deeper than I have so far with my Sandshark PI and with a very new to me Excal. This is wet or dry sand on salt water beaches, on the Atlantic coast.
Given more time on a different detector, I may learn how to start getting the depth. For me, right now with a lot of hours on CZs, it is very hard to beat the CZ on smoothness, ease of set up and overall performance on salt water beaches.
tvr
After re-reading many of his posts, those of others, and a little bit of back and forth; I started running my CZ6a in auto-tune (all metal) with the sensitivity nearly maxed, or maxed if conditions allowed and the volume set on 7 or 8. When I got a little change in threshold, I'd slow the coil to a very slow sweep and thumb the knob from auto tune to discrimination setting 0 and listen to all tones.
Normally, in discrimination mode, can't hunt with any where near that high sensitivity, even at pretty slow sweeps because of all the falsing. Using the auto tune and switching to discriminate technique, once a target is found and then sweep is slowed way down over the target, the discriminator mode then gives pretty good information on surprisingly deep targets when running at very high sensitivity levels.
Running the Sunray FZ12 coil and hunting like this, I am now digging good targets deeper than I have so far with my Sandshark PI and with a very new to me Excal. This is wet or dry sand on salt water beaches, on the Atlantic coast.
Given more time on a different detector, I may learn how to start getting the depth. For me, right now with a lot of hours on CZs, it is very hard to beat the CZ on smoothness, ease of set up and overall performance on salt water beaches.
tvr
TVR...that's a pretty deadly combo running the FZ12 in auto tune on the CZ6a. I gotta get that coil back on one of my 6a's and have at it next time. I have gotten so used to running the stock 8 inch, I have not used the FZ12 in a while and after reading your post, I am going to. I forgot how well the FZ runs in autotune on the CZ's...I think it's a much better way to run them than discriminate mode since you get the full effect in all metal. The switching over the discrim after hitting a target in autotune and sweeping very slow is a number one tip...glad you mentioned it.
I can run the 8 inch coils in discriminate mode at a higher sensitivity setting than the 10.5 and FZ12 and with a lot of iron and nails on a lot of the beaches I hunt, it's the better way to go for me ( and I ALWAYS run in discrim setting 0 since I want to hear all targets and possibly dig the faint, repeatable, deep low tones as well as the repeatable low tone/mid tone bounces since I have dug a few gold targets that hit this way).
BUT...there were a lot of sanded in beaches and beaches without many targets the last few runs, so it makes me have to re-think the strategy and put the FZ12 on one of the 6a's and take it with me !
THANKS !
JC
I can run the 8 inch coils in discriminate mode at a higher sensitivity setting than the 10.5 and FZ12 and with a lot of iron and nails on a lot of the beaches I hunt, it's the better way to go for me ( and I ALWAYS run in discrim setting 0 since I want to hear all targets and possibly dig the faint, repeatable, deep low tones as well as the repeatable low tone/mid tone bounces since I have dug a few gold targets that hit this way).
BUT...there were a lot of sanded in beaches and beaches without many targets the last few runs, so it makes me have to re-think the strategy and put the FZ12 on one of the 6a's and take it with me !
THANKS !
JC
UnderwaterPirate
New member
What do you mean you lose sensitivity to small gold on land with a CZ-21? Do you mean depth, or you would detect Small Rings? Please explain in detail how this can affect your search, and if there is a way you could improve your chances of finding small gold with this Problem.. Thanks again.
Pirate,
The sensitivity to small gold is less with a CZ21 compared to a CZ like the 5, 6a, 3D in the sense that it is locked in the 'Salt' mode, where as the land CZ's can be switched between Salt mode and Normal mode. In Normal, a CZ is a tad more sensitive to small gold like earrings and small pendants...and possibly very small, thin rings.
There is not a problem finding normal sized rings, bigger pendants and earrings, but you do have to realize that some of the gold items may bounce between low tone iron and mid tones.
When the statement that the CZ20/21 is less sensitive to smaller gold items than the land based units, it is based on the fact that running a land CZ in normal mode, with the same settings and coil size, the normal mode CZ will pick up small gold slightly better.
There really isn't a problem with a CZ20/21 in finding gold, it is just not as sensitive to SMALL gold as other units. Remember, the salt conductivity range is also the range for some small gold items ( heck , gold jewelry can fall into a large range depending on what other alloys/metals are in it) . Since the CZ20/21 and land CZ's in salt mode, are calibrated to eliminate the effects of that conductivity, then it stands to reason it would also eliminate any small gold item falling into that range.
Don't worry about that CZ...it's a damn good unit.
The sensitivity to small gold is less with a CZ21 compared to a CZ like the 5, 6a, 3D in the sense that it is locked in the 'Salt' mode, where as the land CZ's can be switched between Salt mode and Normal mode. In Normal, a CZ is a tad more sensitive to small gold like earrings and small pendants...and possibly very small, thin rings.
There is not a problem finding normal sized rings, bigger pendants and earrings, but you do have to realize that some of the gold items may bounce between low tone iron and mid tones.
When the statement that the CZ20/21 is less sensitive to smaller gold items than the land based units, it is based on the fact that running a land CZ in normal mode, with the same settings and coil size, the normal mode CZ will pick up small gold slightly better.
There really isn't a problem with a CZ20/21 in finding gold, it is just not as sensitive to SMALL gold as other units. Remember, the salt conductivity range is also the range for some small gold items ( heck , gold jewelry can fall into a large range depending on what other alloys/metals are in it) . Since the CZ20/21 and land CZ's in salt mode, are calibrated to eliminate the effects of that conductivity, then it stands to reason it would also eliminate any small gold item falling into that range.
Don't worry about that CZ...it's a damn good unit.
UnderwaterPirate
New member
Thanks for responding therover,
That really helped me.
That really helped me.