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How to drive a metal detector company crazy!

Hi,

This relates to Dave's post on electrical interference.

I've used and sold Fisher Gold Bug 2 detectors since they came out. Had the very first one in Alaska. So I've demonstrated them for many years in our store in Anchorage. Recently, I got a batch of new Gold Bug 2s, and when I set one up to demonstrate in the store, the thing went completely bonkers when set into iron discriminate mode. It chattered so much it would hardly detect a gold ring at 3 inches. OK, no big deal, I go get another one, and it does the same. I get four more and they all do it. I'm thinking I got a bad run of units and I was not happy about it at all what with the hassle of returning them and such. So I call my distributor and go off on him and email nasty-grams to Fisher.

First of all I need to note that the Fisher response was very concerned but also very a calm and considered response considering the strength of my accusations. I guess I'm getting old as I can get a bit testy at times. After some back and forth I sent a unit back to get checked Dave asked me a simple question "was I sure I could rule out electrical interference"? Now, I thought hard about this. I'd used the Gold Bug 2 indoors at my location for what, over 15 years now? And never had this problem. But it had been months since I'd last put one in disc mode while in the store and so I realized I could not firmly rule out something new in the area.. I called a friend who had an older Gold Bug 2 and borrowed it, and when I tried it in the store it went nuts also. So it was just not this new batch of machines.

Long story short after some research I determined some kind of new EMI source has been installed in the immediate area of my store sometime in the last few months. Culprits may be a new lighting system, new radio installation for our new Stealth fighter squadron, of new high-speed cell towers. Not sure, but there you go. But the difference was enough to catch me off guard and I assumed the units must be bad, and not that something was new in the area, which turned out to be the case.

So with egg on my face I made apologies all around. This story illustrates how a person with almost 40 years of detecting under their belt can end up making a bad call. We live in the wireless age and people are installing new wireless gizmos all around us at an alarming rate. And unfortunately the hottest of the hot metal detectors, being extremely sensitive receivers, are going to have a tendency to pick up some of this stuff. I can see going forward where resistance to electrical interference is going to be more and more of an issue in urban areas. But it is also likely that in bad locations a person will forced to stick with certain single frequency units to get quiet operation. Multi-frequency or super high gain units are going to have issues in certain locations, much more so than in the past.

Anyway, my apologies to the people at Fisher for the false alarm and going off the deep end. I salute your calm handling of the situation. And a warning to all out there regarding erratic detector performance. You are going to run into it eventually, and the best thing to do if that is the case it try the machine at several locations distant from one another to make sure you do not have a local issues. And leave the cell phone behind!

Steve Herschbach
 
Imagine how many frequencies are humming, and buzzing around us, and through us:unsure: on this planet....:huh::wacko:

Glad you were able to sort things out your end, and with Fisher Steve !
 
Good Post Steve, sounds like Fisher handled your complaint well and and so did you.
 
Great post...both for it's educational content on RFI, and for the humility of someone of your character and background!
 
Steve I believe this exact issue is documented in this current thread:

http://www.findmall.com/list.php?35

I find that EMI kills the performance on my F70.

I see the next big challenge for Fisher as making top performing machines more resilient to EMI, as a lot of detectorists hunt in urban areas, and even areas out in the burbs are prone to various wireless technologies as the technology matures.

hh,
Brian
 
Steve

Very understandable response, especially with a detector you know so well. The question I have is, can you run your F75 in your store as it is noted for having issues with EMI. Is it also possible that hearing the EMI can be looked upon as a positive. I don't have an understanding of the internal electronics of any detector, but if yu turn on your F75 and It starts to chatter you know right away that you have to detune it in order to hunt effectively in that particular location. If I turn on my CZ6 in that same location it's going to sound dead stable, but in fact it to is being effected by the EMI, but because I don't hear it I can't make any adjustments. So I think I'm hunting effectively but in fact maybe I should have my sen turned down to get best results. I'm trying to look at the positive side of hearing EMI because just like you said, every day we are being exposed to more and more wireless installations. I might be away off base with this line of thinking, but the fact of the matter is that EMI is here to stay.
Also great report on the F75 as a prospecting detector.
 
n/t
 
Hi,

The F75 does exhibit some chatter but is not as advesrely affected as the Gold Bug 2. Some units are immune to whatever it is. No noise and no loss of depth. I'm sure it is mostly a frequency thing and mutl-friquency and high gain units get hit hardest. Some units no doubt simply have better sheilding than others. You are probably right in that some detectors might seem to be running fine but are in fact losing some depth due to the interference. Just like when prospecting in highly mineralized ground some people run the gain too high, and some detectors will overload and basically shut down without the user even knowing it. Other detectors designed with that in mind will give an overload indication.

So maybe units in the future will need to be better able to indicate an "electrical overload".

Steve Herschbach
 
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