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High Trash experiment produces deep and big on a non-producing site

TrpnBils

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I have been going to a 1798 house off and on for about 3 years now with mostly disappointing results. It's kept up real nice and is rented out occasionally by the owners for vacationing tourists, so there's a bit of modern debris there too. Two years ago I dug my first IHP there and a 3-ringer. I've got a couple of wheats out of there, but nothing real exciting. It's been gone over a million times by other guys, and there are multiple dump sites on the property (which is only about an acre). It's loaded with nails and there is a ton of garbage debris buried in the back yard.

Anyway, today a friend and I struck out at our first spot so we went there just hoping to pull something worthwhile. It's the first time I have been there with my 3030 and the first time he was there with his Etrac, and the first thing I found was a CW round ball on the surface where they had just dug to lay a new drainage pipe earlier this month. On the way to the truck at the end of the hunt I went into "screw it" mode and put on my big coil, high trash program, and jumped the sensitivity up to 30 manual. I heard a faint chirp in with some iron that was repeatable on every 2nd or 3rd pass and at 90 degrees, so we opened it up (it wouldn't pinpoint, so we cut the sod about 6" deep in a + shape about 2 feet wide, folded it back, and went down as far as the soil would let us. Certainly the largest plug I've dug (although I'm proud to say it was damn near pristine looking when we left). I hit a root about as thick as my arm at about 8" so we dug another plug out next to it so that we could tunnel under the root because that's where one of the signals was at. After each pass with the digger, the signal got clearer and was staying around 39-47 conductive with steady ferrous numbers.

Once under the root, I pulled out a handful of soil and found myself looking at a nice Matron Head variety large cent at a measured depth of 11". It's dateless and in bad shape, but it's period and I'll take it, and I rescanned and then pulled out four rusted nails in the same hole. I really wish I would have been confident enough that it wasn't a nail falsing that I would have played around with the settings a little to learn some more or else had my friend do the same with his Etrac to compare signals, but I didn't. It was so faint...I can't begin to imagine what else I've been passing over. I did have the presence of mind to check it with my primary program (GH settings in combined mode) and I would like to think I would have dug it with that too, but the iron grunts might have turned me off of it early. I think the tight pattern high trash mode really helped me out here.



 
Next time you have a signal that won't pinpoint, try engaging the pinpoint button with the coil on (or near) some clean ground.

The all-metal pinpoint does a one-time 'ground grab' each time you engage it, and the threshold can be too faint for the 'deep ones' if your coil isn't at the right height when you do.

hh,
mike
 
trojdor said:
Next time you have a signal that won't pinpoint, try engaging the pinpoint button with the coil on (or near) some clean ground.

The all-metal pinpoint does a one-time 'ground grab' each time you engage it, and the threshold can be too faint for the 'deep ones' if your coil isn't at the right height when you do.

hh,
mike

Interesting - yeah I haven't quite got the hang of what pinpoint trace can do yet.
 
Trpnbils If you run ferrous coin set your 1st pattern open with the 31 to 35 line disc out . second pattern to open when you find a high tone mixed with grunts go to pattern 1 and see if the high tone is still there . My user button is set to high trash factory 1 pattern second pattern is 31 to 35 line disc out and open . The reason I have 31 to 35 disc out is to get rid of the iron so I can hear what's with it I check all questionable signals with all 4 patterns starting with open screen ferrous then open screen ferrous with 31 to 35 disc out then high trash with 31 to 35 line disc out and finally stock high trash pattern 1 .

You have to be careful with high trash stock pattern 1 (You must sweep slow or you will not hear it in the iron ) you have to give the machine time to recover from the null the same for all patterns using a crap load of disc.

As far as pinpointing you have to remember you found it with disc there by discriminating out the iron .When you go to all metal in pinpoint all those nails are going to want to pinpoint to. So the only real way to pinpoint is sweeping in disc mode there by eliminating the nails this happens when there are just to many targets close together , so you did use the right approach :thumbup:

Yes you did break a cardinal of mine you have to run all the patterns over the target before you dig and listen to what there saying I'm guilty of this to you look and look and finally fine a target and you just want to dig because you have not dug for a while .

But by running the patterns you will learn things nobody can tell you . the way I'm set up I can run 4 different patterns in less than 15 seconds which gives a boatload of imfo. By the way nice retrieve your learning good for you . sube
 
Good story, I have had great results using high manual sensitivity. I would be curious if combined with high sensitivity would have given you the same result. Either way great recovery and a good reminder to try out new things...
 
GKMan said:
Good story, I have had great results using high manual sensitivity. I would be curious if combined with high sensitivity would have given you the same result. Either way great recovery and a good reminder to try out new things...

See that's the thing - I don't think I would've necessarily found it that way because my combined program is almost wide open in terms of discrimination and I bet it would've been way too noisy. Normally I can't turn my manual sensitivity up past about 22 around here because of noise. I had it jacked way up because I was using the default high trash program and most of the falsing and chatter was being discriminated out.
 
Interesting... I do run high manual sensitivity often, but in combined, practically open screen too, but I don't find it that noisy. So, perhaps soil conditions, amount of ferrous trash, maybe just what I am used to, who knows...?
I will try to compare combined and high trash next time to see if I notice a difference.
 
Yeah, probably has to do with the mineralization here or something. I always sort of laugh at the guys who are "maximum sensitivity all the time no matter what" because they'd be lost here... Normally my recommended number is about a 15 or so.
 
Tailoring to your site is what the CTX excels at. And you've proven once again that nothing is ever hunted out. Good job!
 
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