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High School Junk - an analysis

dahut

Active member
No need reminding any of you about my commitment to pound the local high school as part of my 2008 Wrap Up Campaign.
Lets suffice it to say I went back for another few hours today.

The Golden purred along as it should, with a new battery beeping reassuringly each time I tested it. There was none of yesterdays 'weirdness' and I'm here to say there is much comfort to be had from full power cells. Do yourself a favor - make it part of your pre-hunt routine to check those batteries!

I thought that instead of relating the in's and out's of today's effort, we ought to break things up. What say we take a look at the trash that surfaced, and see how it responded with the Golden in hand.

"The trash?!" you say. "David, have you lost it, man?" One might think I've been in the sun too long.

Well, maybe I have. But, so often we are focused on the good stuff that we fail to learn from the trash that we find. This stuff is metal, too, after all and it has it's own response. Perhaps looking at it this way, we can become better at what we do as detectorists by 'knowing our enemy,' so to speak.

"A picture is worth a 1000 words," as they say, so here is today's Rogue's Gallery... the trash finds:

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Along the top you will see a particular US coin and arranged vertically below, trash items associated with it. What you see arranged before you is just how the Golden perceives these items. Following are some comments that come to mind about this picture.

The mid range occupied by the pulltabs is very wide, as you can see. There is a large gap between nickel and the coin realm and the Golden is designed to open that up. Many trash targets fall into this gap and we are told by the "experts" that this is where many gold items will fall, as well. Folks, I'm here to tell say - you could fool me. I aint dug a decent gold ring since last water hunting season!

I just dig 'em because I reckon smarter people than me to figure this stuff out, so who am I to argue. I DO know that my 14K wedding band would fit nicely into the line-up, right between the small ring tabs and the oblong ones. So I dig 'em... so as not to miss 'em.

Since I hunt the notch below nickel, I normally get quite a wad of foil items. This is another one of those 'mystery gold' targets ranges. Small rings and amulets, chains and filigree items come up in this area. I found a nice Scorpion amulet last year, right in the foil range. As small gold items are often worn - and lost - by teens, this is a must dig target range at a high school.

What I don't show are the many pencil eraser ends found. These things breed underground, I believe, and fall right in around nickels. I have noticed, though, that they tend to give a high-low mid tone response that fades out quickly due to their small size. After a while, you get used to them.

While we're on the mid-range, let me tell you about something I've started to do. The two middle tones are close together in frequency and this can be a little confusing. So when I get a mid tone, I've begun singing the note aloud to myself. "Singing the tones," like this is a little whacky, I admit.
But it helps to firm them up in your mind and eliminates a lot of the confusion. I'm certain any bystanders would wonder what greater sort of nut I am, singing to myself like this, but it helps me.

Up on the other end of the target range, we come to the high mid-tone and "fer sure" high tone targets. In this range you get your many zinc cents and all the largish aluminum items like those roofing nails, grommets, large ring pull tabs, square opening tabs and screw caps. It so happens that this is where you'll find most 10K gold, some small silver items and the Holy Grail of jewelry, high school class rings.

One of the the Golden's strong point is the high tone range - it is a killer on high conductivity items. This includes bronze, pre-1982 cents.

Unless you dont want to find the payola coins on purpose, there's a simple rule to follow with the Golden: If you hear a high tone, dig it.

Even if it is mixed with other tones, don't hesitate. I dug several dimes today that were under the coil with other trash. When I re-scanned the spot from which I recovered the dimes, I'd find these other targets still there. But the high tone came through.
Of course, anything can be fooled and the Golden is no exception. Those large items and the little brass nut chimed in with high tones, too.

Also found were the junk jewelry items seen here, which included a small tear drop silver earring about 1/2 inch long. It didn't make the pic because I had forgotten it in my pocket! It rang in at high mid range tone.
This makes about 6 jewelry items so far. When will the next one be a high grade piece? Only time will tell.

Here are the coin gleanings and trinkets:
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Thanks for looking.
 
Nice write up Dave

I never have had a Golden uMax, but it sounds like a nice machine. I use a couple of Bandidos, the first model and the last one, the ll uMax. I hunt schools some, but I like older items and try to do a few old house yards about 5 or 6 times a year.
If a person does a good job at retreiving and leaving the sight nice they will usually be welcome back. In these old yards I like to use a metered machine and cherry pick the silver coins first, then if I find an indication of holding older coins ( liberty variety) I will start diging the lower conductors. I use an electronic probe, and plug everything, so the home owner could never tell if anything was dug in there yard. If I get into an area of rusty nails, the Bandido comes out and I pluck out whatever non-ferous targets I can find.The mono tone Tesoros do a good job at letting you know if you have a goodie under your coil.
Later........Hombre
 
I never have had a Golden uMax, but it sounds like a nice machine. I use a couple of Bandidos, the first model and the last one, the ll uMax. I hunt schools some, but I like older items and try to do a few old house yards about 5 or 6 times a year.
Like to hunt those, too, but the High School Hi-jinx just sort of got started and now I gotta see it through.

Truth is, I'll hunt any where, any time. I dont care one little bit. Relic fields, old houses, vacant lots, un-maned patches of wood - they're all good to me. As long as I'm swinging the coil, I'm happy.
 
I understand ya!

Sometimes its nice to just get out of the house and swing the coil. Nothing is safe, not even a pulltab. Gotcha......Hombre
 
Hay Dave,

What I don't show are the many pencil eraser ends found. These things breed
underground, I believe, and fall right in around nickels. I have noticed, though,
that they tend to give a high-low mid tone response that fades out quickly due
to their small size. After a while, you get used to them.


I dug so many of those things at an elementary school recently, I got very used
to them. I knew knew when I had one under my coil. But not 100% sure. After
finding a 925 silver cat jumpin through a 14k gold ear ring I was rewarded for all
my efforts.

Point is, I knew they were there, better than I would have with other detectors
I've used. That's for sure.

In an earlier post you asked how someone can tell anything with a Vaquero.
Seems like you said tha V is definitely a beep and dig. It beeps, you dig. That's
all there is to it because you can't tell nothin.

Tell me how I knew that I had a penile eraser every time almost 100% of tha
time.

I do it by repetition. That's how I got tha silver cat jumpin through tha gold ring.

You can call it beep & dig.

But I only laughingly agree with you.

In my hart, It's a different story.

Happy Huntin,

Tabdog
 
For some funny reason I think you like the Golden dahut. I am sure they are good if you learn them, but I'll take the older 12 kHz single tone Tesoro's any day. Any multi-tone detector that I have ever had (including the Golden) drove me nuts.Steve.
 
I don't know how you knew you had a "penile eraser," at any time, Dave. I'm not sure I WANT to know!

But I can respond to your position about knowing "things" with the Vaquero. It's simple, really: You are a special case.
Not every person who gets a Vaquero is going to go to such lengths as you.

Repetition and long familiarity really can help you to understand things with a monotone detector as the V. I used to be able to do it with my old Silver Sabre II on pulltabs. And remember, I own a Vaquero, too. So, I know it is possible and there is subtelty to be found in that single tone.

But I don't think it is a point to long labor over most of the time. People hear us say these things, they look for them and unless they have the patience of Job and a well tuned ear, they normally give up looking for them. Or they end up admitting that they aren't the big deal we old-hand purists make of them.

They used to say, "Beware the Man with Only One Gun." His familiarity with it made him a dangerous fellow. He knew "things" about it, too.
 
Dahut, I haven't ever used a Golden, but I'm with you all the way on the hunt anything, anywhere, most anytime. I even dig Zinc pennies.
BB
 
Thanks, I do like it.

But, it's all about what you like and use... USE being the operative word.
It happens to be what I use a lot, since I like tones and tone ID and I dont like heavy detectors. This means the Golden gets the nod, often.

On the other hand, like you, I can be as happy with a Vaquero or Cibola, Silver Sabre or Eldorado. I have been a Tesoro devotee for a long time and did very well with their monotone units before I got bit by the Golden Bug....

As they say, "Whatever suits you, suits me!"




PS Just for the record, I also have a Fisher F70. It has tone choices, too - a lot of them.
When I use it, I have a lot to say about it, as well.
 
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Yeah, I wanna see some of Tab's penile erasers:rofl: Seriously though, those things are aggravating and even give an extended signal to make matters worse. If it weren't for the dang small gold rings I wouldn't have so much to gripe about-but I'm like everybody else-the moment I pass over one, it's gonna be a ring.:wacko:
 
You're a pretty wise buck.

I forget about things. Signs of a rough ride and some grey hair. Or what's

left of it.

I really am tryin to find a level ground. You have much more experience

with tha hobby. You are not perfect though. I saw you with your foot in

your mouth before. lol

Right or wrong is far from what's important here. Wisdome, restraint and

patience are tha wheels of tha deals. Thank's for tha reality check.

There are voices that are needed to be here. Mine is a narrow point of view.

I appreciate you being here Dave.

Happy Huntin,

Tabdog
 
tabdog said:
You're a pretty wise buck.

I forget about things. Signs of a rough ride and some grey hair. Or what's

left of it.

I really am tryin to find a level ground. You have much more experience

with tha hobby. You are not perfect though. I saw you with your foot in

your mouth before. lol

Right or wrong is far from what's important here. Wisdome, restraint and

patience are tha wheels of tha deals. Thank's for tha reality check.

There are voices that are needed to be here. Mine is a narrow point of view.

I appreciate you being here Dave.

Happy Huntin,

Tabdog
Ditto, friend, ditto!
 
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