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Hey WXDIRT... I just read your paper.. very interesting.I think we will see some scary stuff in our life time.. ....

charlie (ky)

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I like this quote in your paper,,,,,

.[There is] a tendency in our planning to confuse the unfamiliar with the improbable. The contingency we have not considered looks strange; what looks strange is therefore improbable; what seems improbable need not be considered seriously.
 
...but thanks just the same, Charlie! If anyone else would like a copy, just fire me an e-mail. I'm always open to contructive criticism! :starwars: The bottom line is this. A catastophic solar flare is highly unlikely, but it's not unprecedented. Whatever we do to prepare for a worst-case scenario will lessen the inevitable impacts that come along with the minor irritations associated with EVERY solar max. Leaders have to find the balance of resources to throw at such a high impact low frequency (HILF) event.

As Butch will attest to, the space community is well aware of the threat. I'm afraid Joe Blow has no idea what's causing the sunny-day fuzziness in his DirectTV signal though. When it finally does happen, Vern's genius will be evident. :cheers: Check out this image from the national Infrastructure Protection Plan. It highlights what COULD happen in the "perfect space weather storm" if the grid fails. It's not just electricity that goes away...it's water, refrigeration, medical stockpiles, etc.

The paper has been entered into a contest here at the Naval War College. The winning entry gets a $1000 cash prize. In the highly unlikely event mine wins, the question will then be...V3i or ETRAC?!?!? :look:
 
If I recall correctly, we don't even have replacement transformers for the the most important electrical grids in this country, and they take months or years to make..and I think they are made in another country. I may be off on some of this , but if it happens, we are back in the 18th centry
 
No utility keeps large high voltage transformers in stock. You're right, a lot of electrical equipment is made in europe and other foreign countries. ABB is a swiss company that makes all kinds of electrical equipment and transformers.
 
That's the main reason, they cost too much to have not in service.
 
Charlie some time I think this would be a good thing to lose some of our life little pleasure's.It would wake up Lot's of young people to do with out for about two too three weeks.I my self lived in the time we didn't have all this stuff,And had a happy family life.Even today at almost 72yr.old I think I can still get food.I can still hunt for meat and walk to a bayou for fish.I can still cook with a wood fire.This is my opinion.

Y'all have fun now
 
But before we lose the internet, I've got a decision to make...Dang if my solar flare paper didn't win!
 
with in a year we would lose 80% of our population. My guess is all major cities and people under thirty that don't know anything about surving. I have a small farm and could raise a crop, hunt and fish... but would get pretty lonely there after I had to shoot the city folks and half my neighbors.
 
You can see the whole thing here.

It's obviously a worst-case scenario and highly unlikely...but still fun to hypothesize about! The portion of the transcript that covers this is below...also addresses the vulnerability of the U.S. military as a result of its complete reliance on the commercial grid...interesting...

TESTIMONY TRANSCRIPT (~53:00 - 58:00)

BARTLETT: Thank you very much.
I have three quick concerns. Let me express them.
Mr. Daggett, you mentioned the asymmetric warfare that we are involved in, and the -- that we will be attacked where we are weak. And perhaps here in the homeland, I would suggest that one of our greatest vulnerabilities, not just in the homeland, but in our military, is our susceptibility to -- our vulnerability to EMP.
We may avoid that, sir, but what we will not avoid is a major solar storm of the Carrington magnitude. A high official in FERC told me that if that happened our grid would come down, cascading effects would bring down some of the major transformers. It would be perhaps several years before the grid was back up.
I asked him the consequences of that. He said probably 80 percent of our population would die. I see no activity on the part of either the military or the Homeland Security that addresses this enormous threat to life as we know it.
Secondly, Mr. Berteau, you mentioned unaddressed risks. I read just recently that China has developed and is now fielding an anti- ship missile. If that is a cruise missile, supersonic, we probably have defense against that.
We'd have to stand off 1,200 miles from any land where an enemy had that kind of a -- of a weapon. I see no indication that we're addressing that and re-ordering our military for the future to that reality, which is here and will increase.
And thirdly, Mr. Donnelly, you mentioned that our military expenditure today is less in terms of GDP than it has ever been. I would suggest there is no shortage of money. What there is a shortage of is our ability to convince the American people that we need more money. The American people will support any level of funding of the military which is necessary to address our national security interests.
Am I wrong in having these concerns?
DAGGETT: On EMP, I know that you've been engaged -- involved in the commission that has been studying EMP issues. I have to say I haven't looked at it as thoroughly as I think I probably should.
I have taken a look at some -- lots of different studies of potential future asymmetric threats. I discussed one in ...
BARTLETT: Would you get just a little closer to the mike?
DAGGETT: Yes. I discussed one set of those challenges in the -- in the testimony, which is access denial of -- access denial kinds of challenges, which I am convinced is an increasing problem for U.S. naval forces.
But the United States is beginning to address that. The decision to terminate DDG 1000 and use instead DDG 51 as a basis for blue water forces reflects, I think in part, a decision that it's more difficult to maintain a ship of the size of the DDG 1000 in close-in littoral waters, given area denial strategies by the Chinese and by others, than in the past.
And that could include not just the anti-ship cruise missiles, as you mentioned, but also smart mines, even precision guided ballistic missile capabilities and things of that sort, let alone small boats with suicide, you know, bombers on board.
So there are a lot of -- there are a lot of those kinds of challenges. And, you know, EMP is one of them, but there are a number of other asymmetric challenges which we're going to have to cope with in the future. And, as I said, I think they could in the future become a pretty significant budget driver.
BERTEAU: Mr. Bartlett, let me respond both -- to both your first two points there. On the vulnerability on the grid, I would urge you, as you're looking at defense next year, also to notice that it used to be, 15 years ago, that much of the defense infrastructure in the U.S. had its own independent power sources.
Today that's no longer true. We've now privatized, and DOD is largely dependent on the commercial grid. And so, ...
BARLETT: We've gone in the wrong direction, haven't we? The military ought to be able to island itself. We have a bunch of our electric production which cannot do a black start. It has got to have electricity to start if it goes down. We will now be incapable of that. And wouldn't it be a good idea if our military could island itself, so that it could be a starter for this?
BERTEAU: And I suspect there's a third option there from a technology point of view that ought to be looked at.
From the unaddressed risk things, particularly the one you raised -- and we can't talk about it much here in an open session -- but I actually think the QDR has done a better job on these sets of risks than in many other areas. And I suspect that you'll be -- you'll be able to see some of the results of that when the QDR is released.
 
If the radation is strong enough it will burn out all transisters and electronics that aren't specially shielded, that includes your cars computer. If you have an old car with points and condenser ignition it should be ok. Hello Elson got any spare buggeys. or we'll all adopt the amish lifestyle- which isn't bad at all just different.
 
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