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Tried one from a local dealer, could not disc. at 15 in the ground I hunt, however I have no issue with it or any other detector brand. Found a few targets at respectable depths,but no targets both could not here, like other folks, I will stick with my favorite. In good ground east of Richmond City I hear the same claims about both detectors,Tejon, X5,so I guess its what you like. If your finding small relics at those depths, god bless you!
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and am now catching up on various forum activity.
I read your post of a few days ago and it was my absence that kept me from replying. I wasn't "stumped" by your questions, nor was I stumped and awe-struck by the various posts on assorted forums with dazzeling claims of Tejón performance. Usually, I just consider the source first, then I factor in the ground mineralization where they hunt, the presnce of potential masking targets, and finally any bologna-factor I might associate with the post. <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="
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As for your post here, let me addresss it in my reply to your earlier post. Here, John had asked if you got your Tejón yet and you replied:
<STRONG>"Tried one from a local dealer, <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">could not disc. at 15 in the ground</span> I hunt, however I have no issue with it or any other detector brand. <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">Found a few targets at respectable depths,but no targets both could not here</span>, like other folks, <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">I will stick with my favorite</span>. In good ground east of Richmond City <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">I hear the same claims about both detectors,Tejon, X5</span>,so I guess its what you like. <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">If your finding small relics at those depths, god bless you!"</span></STRONG>
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">could not disc. at 15 in the ground</span>... Are you saying the Tejón would not properly discriminate or reject unwanted targets at 15" in the ground, or are you saying the Tejón could not respond to a buried 15" target in the Discriminate mode? I will comment on my own question here by stating that on small targets such as coins and buttons, etc., and with a stock coil, I would not expect a response from them when operating in the Discriminate mode with any modern detector, <EM>especially if they were buried in the ground!</EM>
Metal detectors respond the substantial changes in the generated electromagnetic field (EMF). As the coil-to-target distance increases, the field or lines on magnetism are bending away from each other and it requires a larger-sized target to disrupt the EMF. This is especially true if the target is a non-ferrous object because ferrous targets have a different effect on an electromagnetic field than do non-ferrous targets.
I have had some of the best deep-target discrimination with some of the older VLF/TR-Disc. models, my all-time favorite being the Gold Mountain VIP Deluxe. The "Deluxe" reference only indicated that it was a 2-coil package with the stock 7" coil and an optional 10½" coil.
Discrimination was initially regarded as a way to <EM>reject</EM> an unwanted target. I regard the non-motion based TR-Disc, models as <EM>true, progressive discriminators</EM>. That is, as the level of discrimination or rejection is increased, they will progressively reject targets with a higher level of conductivity. You can set them to just barely reject
a crimp-on type of bottle cap and when hunting you can hear them null when passing over rejected trash. Such is <EM>not</EM> the case with our modern "motion-based" discriminating detectors. They have some trouble with many iron-based or magnetic-material targets, such as those pesky bottle caps, and it takes operator technique to coax a "proper" response out of the target. With the older "conventional" TR-Disc. mode and a good detector I could <EM>audibly discriminate</EM> a target by hearing a <EM>nulling</EM> of the threshold as the detector <EM>rejected</EM> the unwanted trash. This is not possible to do with all of the modern motion-based Tesoro's made since the Inca, nor with many other motion-based models on the market. Why? For two reasons. One is the fact that they are motion discriminators and not true, progressive discriminators. The second, and most perplexing, is that the concept of discrimination when designed, and simple theory, was to discriminate or identify an unwanted target. Since the Inca, Tesoro's have been <STRONG>'silent-search'</STRONG> types in the motion Discriminate mode. You do NOT <EM>HEAR</EM> a rejected target as such. You only hear accepted targets that are more conductive than the discriminate/reject level ... OR ... are too deep, too small, or just unable to generate enought signal response for the detector to properly identify it as a target that should be rejected. Thus, many deeper targets that <EM>should</EM> be rejected will give a response.
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">Found a few targets at respectable depths,but no targets both could not here</span>... When the Tejón was introduced I had one just prior to the release to dealers and then two more due to poor performance by the first. I used the three (3) Tejón's and an assortment of other makes and models in field work in the city as well as in desert and woodland ghost towns, mining camps, railroad camps, etc. In <EM>favorable</EM> ground conditions I could hear targets a little deeper with the Tejón than I could with most other Tesoro models ... usually.
In some zero-disc. comparisons in very challenging ground conditions I got slightly better depth with the Eldorado than the Tejón. I have toyed with a Tejón and other models on a few occassions since that initial 3-unit evaluation and have ended up with the same conclusion. That is, the Tejón can <EM><STRONG>detect</STRONG></EM> a little deeper than <EM>some</EM> models, not all, but it does NOT <EM><STRONG>discriminate or reject</STRONG></EM> at deeper depths as well as many of the other makes and models I prefer to use.
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">I will stick with my favorite</span>... And that is exactly what we all ought to do! There is no single, "perfect" detector out there. In the Tesoro line I have a few personal favorites. They include the 'original' Bandido, Bandido II µMAX, Silver Sabre µMAX and Eldorado (µMAX version) in that order. I also like the Pantera, original Eldorado, Bandido II, and Lobo SuperTRAQ, but the first four mentioned are the ones I prefer. If I come across a choice specimen that works especially well and has a "great deal" price, I might pick it up. At present, however, my personal battery does not include a Tesoro model, and most of the units I have operate with an audio threshold in the Disc. mode, and this allows me to hear some of the target rejection that is taking place which during a search.
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">I hear the same claims about both detectors,Tejon, X5</span>... I had similar performance with these two models. Similar in actual performance, and somewhat similar in that I could tell differences in performance between different specimens of the same models. However, I felt there was more inconsistancy between various Tejón models than I saw between different X-5 units.
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">If your finding small relics at those depths, god bless you!</span>... If somebody is attaining true, small-target 15±" depths with their silent-search Tejón, I think they must already have been "blessed!" <img src="/metal/html/tongue.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":b"> <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
Sorry to ramble on, and glad you were able to make a decision without an investment and possible loss.
<EM><STRONG>Monte
I read your post of a few days ago and it was my absence that kept me from replying. I wasn't "stumped" by your questions, nor was I stumped and awe-struck by the various posts on assorted forums with dazzeling claims of Tejón performance. Usually, I just consider the source first, then I factor in the ground mineralization where they hunt, the presnce of potential masking targets, and finally any bologna-factor I might associate with the post. <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="
">As for your post here, let me addresss it in my reply to your earlier post. Here, John had asked if you got your Tejón yet and you replied:
<STRONG>"Tried one from a local dealer, <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">could not disc. at 15 in the ground</span> I hunt, however I have no issue with it or any other detector brand. <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">Found a few targets at respectable depths,but no targets both could not here</span>, like other folks, <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">I will stick with my favorite</span>. In good ground east of Richmond City <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">I hear the same claims about both detectors,Tejon, X5</span>,so I guess its what you like. <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">If your finding small relics at those depths, god bless you!"</span></STRONG>
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">could not disc. at 15 in the ground</span>... Are you saying the Tejón would not properly discriminate or reject unwanted targets at 15" in the ground, or are you saying the Tejón could not respond to a buried 15" target in the Discriminate mode? I will comment on my own question here by stating that on small targets such as coins and buttons, etc., and with a stock coil, I would not expect a response from them when operating in the Discriminate mode with any modern detector, <EM>especially if they were buried in the ground!</EM>
Metal detectors respond the substantial changes in the generated electromagnetic field (EMF). As the coil-to-target distance increases, the field or lines on magnetism are bending away from each other and it requires a larger-sized target to disrupt the EMF. This is especially true if the target is a non-ferrous object because ferrous targets have a different effect on an electromagnetic field than do non-ferrous targets.
I have had some of the best deep-target discrimination with some of the older VLF/TR-Disc. models, my all-time favorite being the Gold Mountain VIP Deluxe. The "Deluxe" reference only indicated that it was a 2-coil package with the stock 7" coil and an optional 10½" coil.
Discrimination was initially regarded as a way to <EM>reject</EM> an unwanted target. I regard the non-motion based TR-Disc, models as <EM>true, progressive discriminators</EM>. That is, as the level of discrimination or rejection is increased, they will progressively reject targets with a higher level of conductivity. You can set them to just barely reject
a crimp-on type of bottle cap and when hunting you can hear them null when passing over rejected trash. Such is <EM>not</EM> the case with our modern "motion-based" discriminating detectors. They have some trouble with many iron-based or magnetic-material targets, such as those pesky bottle caps, and it takes operator technique to coax a "proper" response out of the target. With the older "conventional" TR-Disc. mode and a good detector I could <EM>audibly discriminate</EM> a target by hearing a <EM>nulling</EM> of the threshold as the detector <EM>rejected</EM> the unwanted trash. This is not possible to do with all of the modern motion-based Tesoro's made since the Inca, nor with many other motion-based models on the market. Why? For two reasons. One is the fact that they are motion discriminators and not true, progressive discriminators. The second, and most perplexing, is that the concept of discrimination when designed, and simple theory, was to discriminate or identify an unwanted target. Since the Inca, Tesoro's have been <STRONG>'silent-search'</STRONG> types in the motion Discriminate mode. You do NOT <EM>HEAR</EM> a rejected target as such. You only hear accepted targets that are more conductive than the discriminate/reject level ... OR ... are too deep, too small, or just unable to generate enought signal response for the detector to properly identify it as a target that should be rejected. Thus, many deeper targets that <EM>should</EM> be rejected will give a response.
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">Found a few targets at respectable depths,but no targets both could not here</span>... When the Tejón was introduced I had one just prior to the release to dealers and then two more due to poor performance by the first. I used the three (3) Tejón's and an assortment of other makes and models in field work in the city as well as in desert and woodland ghost towns, mining camps, railroad camps, etc. In <EM>favorable</EM> ground conditions I could hear targets a little deeper with the Tejón than I could with most other Tesoro models ... usually.
In some zero-disc. comparisons in very challenging ground conditions I got slightly better depth with the Eldorado than the Tejón. I have toyed with a Tejón and other models on a few occassions since that initial 3-unit evaluation and have ended up with the same conclusion. That is, the Tejón can <EM><STRONG>detect</STRONG></EM> a little deeper than <EM>some</EM> models, not all, but it does NOT <EM><STRONG>discriminate or reject</STRONG></EM> at deeper depths as well as many of the other makes and models I prefer to use.
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">I will stick with my favorite</span>... And that is exactly what we all ought to do! There is no single, "perfect" detector out there. In the Tesoro line I have a few personal favorites. They include the 'original' Bandido, Bandido II µMAX, Silver Sabre µMAX and Eldorado (µMAX version) in that order. I also like the Pantera, original Eldorado, Bandido II, and Lobo SuperTRAQ, but the first four mentioned are the ones I prefer. If I come across a choice specimen that works especially well and has a "great deal" price, I might pick it up. At present, however, my personal battery does not include a Tesoro model, and most of the units I have operate with an audio threshold in the Disc. mode, and this allows me to hear some of the target rejection that is taking place which during a search.
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">I hear the same claims about both detectors,Tejon, X5</span>... I had similar performance with these two models. Similar in actual performance, and somewhat similar in that I could tell differences in performance between different specimens of the same models. However, I felt there was more inconsistancy between various Tejón models than I saw between different X-5 units.
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">If your finding small relics at those depths, god bless you!</span>... If somebody is attaining true, small-target 15±" depths with their silent-search Tejón, I think they must already have been "blessed!" <img src="/metal/html/tongue.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":b"> <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
Sorry to ramble on, and glad you were able to make a decision without an investment and possible loss.
<EM><STRONG>Monte
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