i went to your stomping grounds today.i went to where i found that ring for paige. after about an hour, the kids said"dad, could you play with us?" and i said "sure,right after i find a ring." Ding,ding, ding! wouldnt you know it,i found a ring! total for the day$2.38 in clad and one cheapo ring. im going to catch up to you!!