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Here's Why You Own A Minelab!

Critterhunter

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I just got off the phone with a friend who has owned a lot of machines over the years. We spent a good hour or more mostly talking about the mysteries of life when it comes to proper settings for his new DFX at certain sites. How one thing affects the other and how those settings can change at different sites based on many factors including ground minerals.

What it comes down to is that most of these "tweaks" that the DFX needs you to tell it to do in order to try to gain max performance are automatically handled by the great technology behind BBS and FBS Minelab machines. What the heck do I need to worry about ground phase for when my Sovereign even eliminates the need for a ground balance. It doesn't have to "walk down that road" and so it doesn't need to be concerned about all the little details involved in walking through it. And you guys thought the Explorer or Etrac had a lot of settings. Let me tell you, they are pretty "basic" in terms of control over a machine's operation compared to a DFX or V3.

That's not a swipe at the Minelabs, it's a compliment in that they handle many things on their own to gain max performance and depth, or don't even need to factor in those controls because FBS and BBS technology just eliminate the need to consider those obstacles to a detector's performance all together. It's like walking versus riding in a car. Some machines can only walk and so you need to consider a comfortable shoe, shortest path to destination, is it raining outside, and all that other painful detail. On a Minelab you are driving there and so there is a lot less you need to even worry about. Who cares if it's raining or my shoes aren't comfortable, I'm still going to get there without all those hassles the guy walking has to deal with, and much faster (or deeper, in terms of metal detectors).

I'm not apposed to computer controls on a machine and do like some of those features on very rare occasions when a very specific situation warrants it, but I'll tell you this much- I've never been in a situation with my GT where I said "Man I wish I had such and such control feature that I used to have on my Explorers to tweak this baby out at this site." Depth and performance is always there with your Sovereign with more than enough controls to obtain it, and even an Explorer or an Etrac is a lot less hassle to get there than it is on other "Flagship" detectors from other companies. Proof is in the finds in the various forums as well as the numerous questions of "What do I do here?" in the "top of the line" Whites forums verus the "Look what I found here." in the Minelab forums. I love to talk technical stuff but truth be known even I have a headache from that conversation. :biggrin:

Here's the clincher....So you've finally built the perfect program for the more complicated (complicated and sophisticated are TWO different things) detector. It's like building a house of cards on the kitchen table. Everything is just "perfect" and it took a lot of time to get there. Along comes somebody and they whack the thing down and say "OK, now build it on this table over here." In a sense that's what you have to do when you change sites with certain machines. Glad for the most part Minelabs build most of the lower levels of that house of cards for you, letting you control the final touch to make it just right.

Yea, I'm pounding back a few. But I've got an excuse....I'm trying to get rid of my "DFX" headache. :beers:
 
One more thing- Let's say you get it all just right with one of these tweak monsters like the DFX or V3. What have you got there? Based on what I've seen and read you're talking about not even matching the depth of a Sovereign with an 8" coil when using a 10" Whites DD. Oh, it's fairly near that depth (near, but not there from what I've seen), but look what you had to do to "keep up on foot."
 
The DFX was my first machine and I'll say this. The DFX with all of it's settings taught me alot about metal detecting. Some people like the flexibility to customize.
And believe me, I do understand what you're saying. I owned my DFX for about 3yrs, made every tweak imaginable to it and even had friends who had been detecting for 30+ years tweak it and I still could never get the depth I need for the types of sites I was hunting here in California.
User error? With all the help I got with that machine I'd have to say no to be honest.

While I am no way scared off by a machine with a plethora of controls, I was really attracted to the fact that I could hit targets deeper right out of the box and with minimal setting adjustments with my GT.

My biggest complaint with the DFX was that it was time consuming sometimes making these adjustments. Even if you knew exactly what you needed to change within a program it still took time navigating those slow menus. All of us that own GT's know how quick and painless it is to tweak our controls and get back to detecting.

I don't really have anything bad to say about the DFX, mostly just annoyances. I'd rather swing a DFX hunting a demo for example than my GT where depth wasn't necessarily needed. I also feel that the pinpointing on the DFX was about as perfect as it can get.

For the kinds of deep things I'm after I won't part with my GT. No way, no sir.
I am curious as to how the V3 is doing out there though or if it's just a DFX on steroids with an extra frequency.

~Joseph
 
I've been watching the V3 "progress" from baby steps and thus far I get the feeling it's just a DFX with a few tweaks in controls, display, and frequency. I've been expecting based on the target graphing to see gold rings start to pop up in the threads in that forum, but I kind'a feel that if that was going to happen it should have by now. Like I've said several times before- steak versus sizzle. You can eat the stake but you can't eat the sizzle when it comes to what a company will hype. It's like a magician who tries to get you to look at his left hand while he sneaks something out with the right. Once you pay attention to the right hand again you've already been tricked. I feel the same way about the "look at all these controls" of the flagship Whites. Hey, cut my teeth on Whites and love the company and the product (mostly prior product), but these days it seems like sizzle rather than steak is what they are trying to sell.
 
Just from my own experience I have a couple of comments. I had a Whites XLT. It was a fairly good unit. I could never slam anyone for using one. My own personal problems were the reason I gave it up. When i would get skunked on a hunt I would tend to second guess my settings.Should I have used mixed mode? Did I have this set too high? Did I have this set too low. I would lose detecting time playing with the settings. I want to arrive at an area and set my detector to give it all she got for that area and forget about the settings for the rest of the hunt. So I unloaded the XLT and bought An XL pro. I also played around with the IDX pro. Both great detectors. But for me they just don't have the punching power of the BBS technology. For me the GT does it all. Quick to set. Powerful. Great in high mineral ground. I had Joe Patricks meter mod done. Now hip mounting is awesome. And just a blast to use.
 
I've never cared for menus and digital meters. I like the simplicity of knobs and analog meters. The Whites 5900/6000's were my main detectors for close to 25 years along with the Fisher CZ 6/6a/5. I had a XLT for a few years and I spent way to much time fiddling with settings and trying to come up with different programs for the different types of hunting I do. Even with all the setting that were available I was still never able to achieve the same performance I was getting from my 5900/6000. The Sovereign is a perfect fit for me. Except for the sensitivity I use the same settings whether I'm hunting parks. ghost towns or beaches. I hip mount mine and pinpoint in discrimination mode with the toe of the coil so after setting the sensitivity I slide the the control box behind my back and hunt. I usually dig everything or use the tones if I'm feeling lazy but if I want to use my meter I just clip it on my belt also. I couldn't be happier with the simplicity and performance of my Sovereigns.
 
I have owned quite a few detectors in the past 3 and a half years. The DFX was my main detector for about 2 of them... It was a great detector and easily paid for itself in that time and I even pulled coins at some impressive depths (Last one being a 1710 French coin at 12"). The problem I felt I had using it was the fact that is was good at a lot of things but not excellent in any one forms of detecting... It was a good coin shooter, a good relic hunter, a decent beach machine, but never truly excelled in any one aspect. The settings become second nature and adjusting it to suit various sites takes but a minute and in a lot of cases if your ground doesn't change much in your area, all you have to change is the recovery speed and discrim band.

Well I bought a Musketeer Advantage, couldn't afford the GT yet, and within 2 weeks the DFX was for sale lol. The Musky (and I'm sure the GT is even better) punches consistently deep (11-12" on coins) with solid tones whereas the DFX would break up and chatter at that depth, The Musky is very fast to set up (Sens up, GB, set discrim, go...), and best of all I can hipmount it!! The DFX with a 10x12" SEF coil felt like I was swinging a log!! The Musky even with the 15"WOT doesn't come close to the weight of the DFX. I do however like the DFX/XLT/TDI rod set up with the pistol grip so I bought a full whites rod to mount the Musky on. But, simplicity won out for sure in this case. Now it's straight beep dig and if I don't like my trash intake, just bump up the discrim... The Musky handles iron MUCH MUCH better then the DFX (DFX nulled way too much). So I think my obvious next move is onto a Sov GT (being the Musky's BBS big brother).
 
I've heard those Musky Minelabs get deep. What is the frequency of those units? I'm betting it's on the low side, or at least I hope it is. What I don't like about them is at least I think they don't have any tone alerts. After using Tesoros for a while I couldn't deal with no VDI and no tone alerts so I sold those. Nice light machines but give the user some target data!
 
5 khz is the frequency, I suspect not so good at sniffing out gold but it shoild shine with silver and coins . Has an extremely fast recovery can swing as fast as you want . great for cherry picking. Comes with all matal and disc. Thinking of using the musky first then going over the same spot with my sovereign,just as a time saver. Guys claim with larger coils it can hit China,I have one and can not say yet what I believe.yet.
 
I seem to remember a post when those things first came out from a guy who dug a bust half I think at a really impressive depth. I think you can put a Sovereign VDI on those things, can't you? Thought I heard of somebody doing that.
 
Not sure of that , I would probably say no since there are different meters for the elite and the xs series ? Also this is a vlf don't know if you can mix apples and oranges?
 
No, the Sovereign meters are not compatible with the Musky's. I don't use a meter on my Sovereign's very often but when I do I use the original bar graph meter. It's similar in operation to the Whites IDX-IDX Pro. That I really liked.
 
They are only second to my Sovereigns. Here's my Sovereigns and my Musky's. The one in the camo pouch is the first or original Musky. As you can see I hip mount everything.
 
william1 said:
Not sure of that , I would probably say no since there are different meters for the elite and the xs series ? Also this is a vlf don't know if you can mix apples and oranges?

there are no meters for the advantage or musketeer series.

all the sov meters work on all the sovs, from the original"the sovereign" up through the most currect "GT"

I know in the past guys where making meters out of hand held volt meters that were cheap, but never saw anyone do it with a musky. the advantage does go deep and seperate well, what killed it for me, why I got rid of the ones I had, was you gotta dig it all with them. no tone ID, just the disc dial like on a basic tesoro or fisher. you can do the "thumb the disc" type hunting but to me that gets old real quick.
myself I dig from small iron to zinc penny usually so I need a meter or tones to help with that.
 
Could have sworn I saw a guy with a Musky and a Sovereign meter on it, but maybe I just imagined that. Never really looked into those machines close due to the lack of tones. The Bandido II Umax I had would get real deep so long as the discrimination was at zero. But, without tones or a meter I found myself cranking up the discrimination on it when I usualy don't use any on machines with tone ID and/or meters. As a result the depth on that thing would suffer. That, combined with the high frequency which gave it real problems in mineralized grounds is the reason why I sold it. I also owned one of those Tesoro VLF water machines which I think is the Tiger Shark. The PI version is I thank the Sand Shark, or vise versa. Anyway, great machine and really liked how the case was waterproofed. But, same problems with that unit so off to ebay it went as well. I know a tone ID or meter isn't a must for a water machine but I had planned to use it for that and land. I figured for a water machine the Tesoro would be light enough to also use on land. It was, but because of the other problems there was no way I was doing that.
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crazyman said:
No, the Sovereign meters are not compatible with the Musky's. I don't use a meter on my Sovereign's very often but when I do I use the original bar graph meter. It's similar in operation to the Whites IDX-IDX Pro. That I really liked.

Would you have a picture of that meter? I'm searching for it online but haven't found anything. I'm interested to see how it works.
Thanks,
Joseph
 
There is a meter on Ebay right now for the Sovereign.It is from over England way. Sounds like what you want to see.
 
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