Here I go again...?

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I started a hornet nest by doing a three part post and just got done reading Georges post below about MXT-Explorer. I have a very good Question? I read Andy Sabisch book and he said air test reflect what you should expect in the ground because the big E compensates for soil conditions and noise levels.I have air tested my unit in alot of modes and can only get 7" on a dime at sensitivity at 32 thats a 1953 dime and a 1909 barber.I test a susan B Anthony and a 1954 Quarter and got almost 9" or right at it.Just to be safe add an inch to this.Is this normal or subpar performance.I have used my Explorer against friends and it seems to be ok I guess but his seem to read different or lock on better.This test was done with the stock 10 1/2" coil.I also get the same results with the 7 3/8" coil.This air test was performed inside wide open at Iron mask at set at -6 I did a Tesoro Toltec II wide open in disc. setting of 0 and got 7" on the dimes and quarter.I know I should go outside and try it but this performance doesn't seem to be up to standards from what I have read and by the use of my buddies,he seemed to thin my operated ok but it is hard to tell when you just use it for 15 minutes at a time.
I am seriously considering to send it in to gain a piece of mind unless everyone thinks this is normal for airtest.
I would like some honest input but please no input from the few I have had run ins with.I already tried their so called help.

 

[Anonymous]

I throw the dime on the ground and start lifting the coil. I think the machine needs the ground to compare against the target. Let us know what you're doing. I know it likes halo's and freshly buried coins don't have that. Others will give you ideas. Post exactly what you're doing and ask someone else to do the same thing... Try what I just said.
Guvner..

 

[Anonymous]

Posted this some time ago and Everyone Know's how good he is!!!!!!!!! Hope This Helps Yea.... Mike
Make sure you have "DEEP" turned on and "FAST

 

[Anonymous]

My first Air Test was done in the kitchen away from everything the best I could laid the Explorer out and waved coins in front of it,Then I went out side found some clean ground and ran the test in Iron mask at -6 then I ran it in -10.in -6 I got the same results as the kitchen then in -10 I picked up a dime at 8" with a somewhat good lock and at 9" it went from top left to top right unable to lock but had a faint repeatable signal.I took the Quarter and got it at 9" to 10" same results with the locking of the target ID.The 7 3/8" coil seems to do as good.I took a yard stick had someone hold it laid the coins on the ground used my noise cancell button befor starting tried the sensitivity wide open and at 25 and at 20 and seemed to be know change except runs smoother.
If someone else can shed more light on this I would be greatful.I also did the Toltec II and it hit the dime at 6" and the Quarter at 7" and thats at locking one with the meter add a 1/2" with repeatable audio but no lock on the meter.

 

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I even run a relic setting I got from some guys in europe and it is deep I guess like mikes and works good but to much trash in parks to use it, I am waiting to goto a civil war sight to try it.I have tried it at an old fort and found a few things but nothing to really say how good it works.
I think I am going to send it off because I will be honest I have a detector that is going deeper right now or let me say this as to not rough up feathers how about as deep.9" on a dime,but I am not going to say what one.I didn't really mind so much about depth when I first bought the Explorer but if everyone is that deep as I read then I want mine to be deep too,I paid good money for it to be.I do love the programs you can run etc.I love it when I goto a sight not Iron ridden and find coins in pull tab infested areas and I hit the ole learn button and the trash is nolonger to be found.That is nice but I do carry rings and coins to make sure I didn't eliminate them out.
Well thanks for more input,but I do see shipping it off to the Factory soon to make double sure it is right.I did buy it thru kellyco and maybe got a lemon don't know.

 

[Anonymous]

Rick;
Your results are about right for air testing.
The explorer is very sensitive to the halo effect so that long buried targets will pickup deeper.
If I am correct you are in West Virginia. I understand that the soil conditions there can be pretty rough with mineralization and coal cinders.
Is that the case in your area?
I am hunting with the x-12 coil and have gotten several dimes at 9-10 inches in very wet soil conditions in central Tenn. where we don't have a lot of mineralization to contend with. I hunt in coin mask conductive with gain at 7.
coins in the ground are a different animal than air testing.
Hope this is helpful
Rick (TN)

 

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Well Said Ronin

 

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[Anonymous]

If you are doing these indoors, but outside I have never had a yardstick when I did mine.
I used my Pool table with a wooden yardstick on it and could get around 7 inches to 8 inches depending on how you come at the target. This was with the stock coil and the Minelab 8 inch coil was a little less.
Now one thing to remember is the Minelabs do not test well on air test, but in the ground is where these detector do well. Now on the Tesoro and many other ones they air test well, but in the ground these lose depth as I have never dug a dime deeper than 6 inches with the Tesoro while the Sovereign and the Explorer I have got 10-11 inches. These are not your normal signals as you have to know what to listen for. With both the Explorer and the Sovereign they have to be swept slower than your other detectors to hear these signals. One thing is the best test is the accual hunting, not preburried coins in a test garden I found.
There is 2 things the Sovereign and Explorer hates is air and speed, so you need to keep the coil close to the ground and go slow for those deep signals to be heard. On the Explorer the setting are more important too and for your area you may have to try a few differnt ones untill you find the one that will work for you.
I have the Explorer, the Sovereign and the Whites MXT plus the X5. Now I have used my MXT while a freind used a Explorer and he was doing better on older and deeper coins, so I had him get a few deeper signals with the Explorer and I checked them. He got several I coulnt get a signal on no matter how I set the MXT with each one a deep penny or dime. The MXT is a good detector too, but dont have the depth the Explorer can get in the right hands and the right settings. Now my Sovereign is one I know well and do well with and to me has the most accruate ID of any detector and once you know it, it has some awsome depth to it, so I went up against a Explorer again and I think I got more coins than he did, but he got some deeper coins I couldnt get a signal on which finaly convinced me that the Explorer has the best depth when set up right and used right. I still feel the Sovereign has the best ID though.
At one time I felt like you do and was changing my setting all the time of those that post on this classroom trying to get the right one, I would get a deep one once in a while in areas I and many others have worked hard which impressed me to keep using the Explorer and learning more and more. I am not a expert yet, but still trying and learning the Explorer.
With seeing the finds posted on these fourms sometimes made me mad and thought something was wrong with my Explorer, so I let one of the guys that do well with theirs try mine and he even did better that day than normal, so I know it is not my Explorer, but the setting I was using and how I was understanding it.
As you see in the last week I got 2 barber dimes and a wheatie that were 9-10 inches down and one was with a rusty nail in the same hole.
Good luck and I hope your Explorer will start making sense to you and start digging some coins at impressive depth to see what we are saying.
Rick

 

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I have been doing the best with the advanced mode with a disc pattern set up with the top open to where a -12 would be on iron mask. I used the large currsior to open up the top, then come down the side on the right hand side about 1/4 of the way down. I then use the medium cursor and learn in the differnt nickles.I hunt in this mod and check some iffy ones in the iron mask I have set up at a -14.Sometimes I will leave it in the iron mask mode too if not in a pulltab filled area. My sensitivity is at a 22-27 manual and been runing ferrious tones and run my gain at a 7 with the varibilty at 8 as the 10 is too high pitched for my hearing. My recovery has been set at deep in most places and if it get to trashy i will go to fast also. I use normal audio and run either my X12 or my X8 for coils in most places, but have the X5 and the WOT also if needed.
I go slow and listen close to those tones and try to get them to repeat from more than one way, if any questionable I will dig, but do dig a lot of rusty nails too, but this is expected for me as I do dig the iffy ones.
Rick

 

[Anonymous]

Crank your gain up to 10 and see what it gets.

 

[Anonymous]

my self I use manuel sens. around 19-26 whatever is stable, ferrious tones,gain 7, varibilty max deep on sometimes fast on as well depends if it's real trashy and Iron mask -12 have been using audio 1 for awhile now, took a little to get use to it but wow how the coins scream out.
Like to hear what our Pro's use as well.