help with wot coil

[todd9146]

i have a couple of days on my wot and im a little frustrated about its performance,its seems i cant stop all the high pitched chatter it produces unless i turn the sens down to about 14 and then i loose all the depth.does this seem normal?i run the gain at 6,7,8 deep on fast off iron mask at -14,15. i went to some of my favorite spots and not only did i not find coins i didnt find much relics either,i not sure if this coil changes the tones that im used to hearing?????????any thoughts?

 

[GraveDiggerMax-VaBch-Va]

i had no problem with it in the damp sand or the dry

what i ended up doing was cutting the gain back like u did 6 worked the best and cut the threshold back to silient...............still chatters badly, but when i hit a nice ticket, bingo.........she would let u know

B U T even set up like above............it would chatter alot in I M 14 thru 6, so i had to just use programs .............much quiter that way.

max

 

[Coiltek]

Hi Todd.
The coil should not produce chatter like you mentioned. I am sure that many would concur that they should run quite smooth. Sometimes backing sensitivity off can quieten down the coil especially in noisy areas but I would believe that the coil might need to be looked at. How long ago did you purchase it and where from?? I am sure we can get it going for you.

Trev @ Coiltek.

 

[todd9146]

thanks trev,i went out yesterday with the sens turned all the way down to 12,and it still has the 00 31 noise/chatter,but i admit i had a little chatter with the stock coil,but reasonable.i found that my depth with the sens turned down was only a couple of inches,i tried gain down to 5,and played around with audio 1,2 with no improvement.the model number on the coil is 3098 and its a about a week old.

 

[mattockman]

Now I am a little weary about such a high priced coil. On top of the coil I would have to buy a swingy thingy, between todd,gravedigger, and other...I am not sure now. How about the S-12 from sunray? Any problems with those???? I want a bigger coil but I want quality!!! If I am gonna spend this kinda money...I only want the best and don't mind spending the $, but it better hold up and be tough!

 

[GraveDiggerMax-VaBch-Va]

12" sunray on my sovereign and i love it...........smaller dia. and lighter. i bought the W O T thinking it would work okay in the surf and to keep up with everyone else around the lane.

six or so around here now, but they are all on EXCALIBERS, i just figured it would work ok on the Exp II as well..............with some mods. in set up...........

it goes deep and can find little targets as well as all others.............i really like it, BUT for everyday surf work............i had to remove it.............

it is v e r y heavy ..............i never change arms when detectting, but with the wot, after about two hours of a 4 to 5 hour hunt, i have to change arms every 20mins. or so.

so it is off the surfasplorer for the summer, maybe to make a return in the fall and winter if no one buys it.

many people told me it was heavy, but being somewhat hardheaded i said to myself with these big arms..................no big deal...........well so much for that.

it would be a great relic coil and i think that is the market for it, so if u hunt them, u are in business.

 

[Ray(MaconGA)]

I bought one too about a moth or so ago, and am not real impressed either, the depth does not seem very good, in fact i think my 5" sun ray coil goes deeper, maybe i just got a bad coil
HH

 

[Buzzz (Southern Tier NY)]

and you would have to buy a bigger shovel and flashlight to see in those dark deep, deep holes. Believe me, I have been up to my armpits with the WOT but the deep coins gotta be there..................then gotha !!!!!!

 

[RussC]

"it would be a great relic coil and i think that is the market for it, so if u hunt them, u are in business."

I`m beginning to become skeptical that the WOT is going to excel there either. It sounds like too much chatter no matter where you hunt.

Is the WOT mania just another example of "group think"? Everyone else is doing it so I should be or I`ll be be an outcast? I watched a guy scanning a local park with a WOT and and Explorer II last week. He didn`t dig anything while I watched, but he sure covered alot of ground. Wonder what his settings are?

Russ

 

[GraveDiggerMax-VaBch-Va]

falses alot, but still works great and one can tell the real signals from the falses.

i hunt in the water and just above where the waves roll in and i just have gotten tired of the weight and the falsing...............i had no problems in the damp or dry sand at all.

and it does cover some realestate fast.................

first day out pic

 

[Bill W.]

To answer some post below in addition to your post. Believe me when I say that the WOT is very capable with the sensitivity down in the mid teens. I've dug coins in excess of 14 inches with the sensitivity below 17. In heavy iron (which is *probably* what is causing your chatter) the stock coil might be a better choice. There is a place and time to use the WOT. Because of the area the WOT covers and thus CAN cover numerous targets at one time. Target averaging can be a problem. In heavy iron because of the depth of the coil off of the outside rim the iron false can be numerous. What I do is use the stock coil initially (I have the Explorer open to accept everything but iron ... IM -12) and get an idea of the trash density and make mental notes of areas the hit with the WOT with lower trash density. It all keeps going back to the is a time and place for the WOT. The WOT is no miracle worker... although it is amazing when you get in the right trash density enviroment. You just have to learn to recongnize when you put the coil on and when to take it off. I have personally dug coins that I know no other detector/coil combo in my collection past and present would touch.

I have had a couple of instances where the WOT has made coins come out of pounded SMALL areas. This spring we had a couple of fellow Minelab users point out where they pulled some deep coins out of. They pretty much said they dug every signal they could get. I tied the WOT on and ended up digging some very deep coins. Of those coins there were 3 IHs, 1 Rosie, and 2 Mercs. I don't count clad even if it is deep. My buddy was hunting in the same area with the stock coil. He didn't dig one coin!!! I have nothing to gain by posting this. Only things to lose... because if someone buys a WOT in my area and knows how to use it that could be bad.

-Bill

 

[larry]

I had the same feelings and experiences with the coil in the beginning. It sounds like you may be detecting in heavily mineralized soil. With the larger view that the WOT gives you, it will magnify that mineralization, and cause a lot of falsing. Typically, 0031 on your display.

What I found to work well for me with the Wot is to only put it on after running into an area that runs relatively quiet and smooth with the stock coil. The WOT will allow you to see a larger area than the stock, and occasionally a little deeper (maybe another inch). Also, with the WOT I run my iron mask at 16. If you get 1 good hit after 4-5 passes on a deep target, dig it. Many times is will turn out to be good. I have often dug out 6-7" and have not gotten anything on my target with the SunRay probe. Then, after taking another shovel of dirt out, I could hear a signal at 9"!

With a larger sweet spot than the stock coil, and the extra inch in depth, I think you'll find the coil worth its time and money. It does seem to hit silver harder that the stock coil, and it appears to see coins that are at an angle or on edge better, as well. I saw mention of the SunRay 12 in one of the other replies. I have owned that coil,too, in the past. It is lighter than the stock coil, with a little better depth, but not as good as the WOT. It tends to false on wet grass and bumpy ground conditions.

Remember, there just is no one coil or metal detector that perfect for all situatons....

Good luck. I own the Platypus, too. It is a good one, but that is another long story.

 

[RussC]

Thanks for the added info Max.

Right now after reading this post and a couple of others over the last few days, I`m glad that I resisted the urge to spring for one last week. The posts I was reading last week were all super positive and I was almost hooked, it looked like the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now it seems as if it is made by humans after all.

I may still go for one in the future but my current perspective is to work with what I`ve got until I read alot more about this coil. I was hoping that it would be good for zeroing in on relic laden areas but all the likely spots around here also seem to have alot of old iron and some trash too. From what I`m reading, it looks like the WOT would be in overload(averaging) most of the time? FWIW, I just bought a Joey, a Sunray X-5, and an X-1 Probe to go with my stock 10.5" coil. Maybe this is all(more than) that I need.

$200 + saved on not buying a WOT puts me $200 + closer to an Excal for in the drink.

Russ

 

[mattockman]

n/t

 

[mattockman]

n/t

 

[mattockman]

Well I think I am convinced about a bigger coil at the beach is a no go for the Explorer, But I would like to get a s-12 or a wot for cellar holes and parks, even though alot of stuff I find is fairly shallow, I do hear stuff at the bottom of the depth guage, but stock coil just doesn't make them good enough to dig. Whats a good bigger coil for the Excaliber? The 800 coil is a pain to hunt the beach with, can you get the 1000 coil put on it?

 

[jimp]

n/t

 

[todd9146]

thanks for the advice,i am pretty sure that this coil is just no good for foundations,i cant say for sure but my finds have droped off a lot,and the depth with the sens turned down so much i could not detect a quater i buried in my test patch at 8 inches at seven it was not a good signal,and it did not correct the digital numbers at all so what i gather by the good and bad post is that in certain conditions,soil,ect the coil will go deeper than the stock,but only if you can keep it stable,if you can its a good coil.i wonder if there is a way to edit out the noise?

 

[RussC]

Hi Jimp,

I don`t at all mean to imply that the WOTs are bad, I`m just beginning to think that they may not be all that they initially seemed to me, to be. Initially I thought the WOT was to be a very versatile large coil that could cover large expanses quickly, go deep, and still offer good target ID under most conditions. It probably will do all of these things under the right circumstances, but I`m starting to believe that even the stock 10.5" coil is a better "all around" general purpose coil.Ironic isn`t it, given that Minelab has seen fit to outfit the EXII with the 10.5" coil as standard, lol. The Wot is more of a special purpose coil then(no kidding!)).

Given all of the fans of the WOT, I`m still curious, but not in the burning way that I was.

Based on what I`ve read about Doc, heck, even my local dealer whom I trust knows Doc, I have no doubt that he is one of the best in the business. No issues whatsoever with Doc or his reputation to stand behind his products.

I guess that I ought to stop here before venturing too far into the land of "topic at hand, political in-correctness".

Have a good one. HH

Russ

 

[RussC]

Hi mattockman,

Thanks for the first hand advice. I was already thinking in that direction.

Russ