What would be the best setting for old houses and possible Civil War areas? I have only been coin shooting since I started detecting 3 weeks ago and I'm hooked. Mud talked me into trying DP tone and so far it's been outstanding once you learn what your hearing!! I have a few new areas to hit but need some advice on relics and iron infested old homes trying to find coins!!! Thanks in advance!!!!
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Help with F70 settings for old homesites..coins and relics
- Thread starter thebig21
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Hey! Welcome! Well, since you are very new, you have to dig everything for a while so the tones get ingrained in your head what they represent...the size, configuration, depth, composition..etc....I remember one guy told me when I was new to "dig 1000 pulltabs and dig 1000 pennys" i was hunting parks and whatnot so it was not out of the question...along the way in this endeavor, a guy learns what the target is telling us...
I guess hunting a location like you mentioned, look at it from a perspective of "where are the coin drop zones here"? backyard under where a clothesline would be? along the front entrance? Read a bunch of Tabmans posts..even the ones he posts on the Tesoro and Atpro forum.....pattern your style to one that is successful no matter what rig they are running....he is hunting oldish dirt for coins, and seems to have a very great understanding of the drop zones, and as you will see, he sure digs up a lot of all sorts of targets, and does a great job of explaining his thought process and the 'pings' he wants to hear in all that junk...Good Luck and its great to have you here!
Mud
I guess hunting a location like you mentioned, look at it from a perspective of "where are the coin drop zones here"? backyard under where a clothesline would be? along the front entrance? Read a bunch of Tabmans posts..even the ones he posts on the Tesoro and Atpro forum.....pattern your style to one that is successful no matter what rig they are running....he is hunting oldish dirt for coins, and seems to have a very great understanding of the drop zones, and as you will see, he sure digs up a lot of all sorts of targets, and does a great job of explaining his thought process and the 'pings' he wants to hear in all that junk...Good Luck and its great to have you here!
Mud
Welcome,thebig21.
The thing about iron is the rust. It likes to mimic high tones like silver coins. Use as little discrimination as possible since relics live in an iron content neighborhood. Normally false high tones caused by rust are usually not reoccurring, at least in all 4 directions and become allusive many times and can even disappear completely if you try to dig them . This is a result of disturbing the halo pattern created by leeching iron minerals. By not discriminating, lets say above a setting of 2 to 4, you give yourself the opportunity to hear the iron along with the iffy high tones it may be causing. False high tones from rust will still be there even if the iron is discriminated out. Be aware though the iffy high tones can also be a valued target just nearing your depth range depending on your settings and soil. When this occurs I switch to program 2 where I have my all metal program set up with very high sensitivity which will give a more accurate TID number as to what is down there, how deep, and many times helps expose masked items or multi denominational coin spills.This can be overwhelming at first but will all come together with time. You have a very good unit with the F70. So powerful it can become unstable at times but very controllable once you learn it. Make sure not to notch out iron when discrimination numbers are used. Don't be afraid to turn the sensitivity down a bit if false signals are overwhelming. I once hit a one way signal on a silver dime with a sensitivity of 35 and a minus 3 threshold. -----Hope this helps get you started--IB PS Mud slipped in while I was composing and as always has good advise also----HH-IB
The thing about iron is the rust. It likes to mimic high tones like silver coins. Use as little discrimination as possible since relics live in an iron content neighborhood. Normally false high tones caused by rust are usually not reoccurring, at least in all 4 directions and become allusive many times and can even disappear completely if you try to dig them . This is a result of disturbing the halo pattern created by leeching iron minerals. By not discriminating, lets say above a setting of 2 to 4, you give yourself the opportunity to hear the iron along with the iffy high tones it may be causing. False high tones from rust will still be there even if the iron is discriminated out. Be aware though the iffy high tones can also be a valued target just nearing your depth range depending on your settings and soil. When this occurs I switch to program 2 where I have my all metal program set up with very high sensitivity which will give a more accurate TID number as to what is down there, how deep, and many times helps expose masked items or multi denominational coin spills.This can be overwhelming at first but will all come together with time. You have a very good unit with the F70. So powerful it can become unstable at times but very controllable once you learn it. Make sure not to notch out iron when discrimination numbers are used. Don't be afraid to turn the sensitivity down a bit if false signals are overwhelming. I once hit a one way signal on a silver dime with a sensitivity of 35 and a minus 3 threshold. -----Hope this helps get you started--IB PS Mud slipped in while I was composing and as always has good advise also----HH-IB
foreign object
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Old home sites also contain a lot of nonferrous junk which can give you a real ear bashing and will make earning dp tones a real challenge.
I don't own a F70 so I am not sure what your tone options are but my F75 has a 3 tone setting. If the F70 has also I would recommend trying that as it will provide a good high tone for silver and a mid tone for most of the junk and relics you will encounter. Also a small coil will help.The 3 tone setting along with the small coil will aid in you keeping your sanity until you master the dp tones.
FO
I don't own a F70 so I am not sure what your tone options are but my F75 has a 3 tone setting. If the F70 has also I would recommend trying that as it will provide a good high tone for silver and a mid tone for most of the junk and relics you will encounter. Also a small coil will help.The 3 tone setting along with the small coil will aid in you keeping your sanity until you master the dp tones.
FO
Thanks guys, I have had this detector (my first) for a little over 3 weeks now and found a 10K gold ring with 17 small diamonds this past Sunday, on Monday I found a 1941 Merc, Tuesday a 47 Rosie and a 64 nickle along with about $40 in clad in 3 weeks...not a bad start but I really want some old relics (Civil War bullets and buttons), not sure what they ring up as and of course...old coins!!! The DP tones work well for me in parks and I do dig all pull tabs, etc...just to get them out of the ground for the next day hunting. This is definately addicting and I really wish that I would have purchased the F70 years ago!
I love reading all your posts, all have been very helpful in learning this machine and my legs and back have finally gotten over the shock of digging everything on my hands and knees!!
Tracy Echols
Jackson, MS
I love reading all your posts, all have been very helpful in learning this machine and my legs and back have finally gotten over the shock of digging everything on my hands and knees!!
Tracy Echols
Jackson, MS
Holy Smokes! Poke me in the eye and call me Winky! 
Forget about bullets and buttons! You are killing it on the coins and gold!
Funny you say about your body getting over the 'shock'...yeah, detecting uses a whole nother group of muscles for sure...especially the 'stoop n stab' routine in a clad heavy park...my rear end could really feel it on those big ham muscles I carry back there..ah, memories...after a few years those muscles get so strong, you can crack a walnut!
Glad to see another stabber come along and looks like you are off to a great start on your addiction! What settings do you run in your park hunting? I run a 4 disc, 53sens, -3 thresh, DE mode, DP tones, no notch, What did that ring come in at on the TIDS?
Mud
Forget about bullets and buttons! You are killing it on the coins and gold!
Funny you say about your body getting over the 'shock'...yeah, detecting uses a whole nother group of muscles for sure...especially the 'stoop n stab' routine in a clad heavy park...my rear end could really feel it on those big ham muscles I carry back there..ah, memories...after a few years those muscles get so strong, you can crack a walnut!Glad to see another stabber come along and looks like you are off to a great start on your addiction! What settings do you run in your park hunting? I run a 4 disc, 53sens, -3 thresh, DE mode, DP tones, no notch, What did that ring come in at on the TIDS?
Mud
I started running DP tone based on Mud's recommendations, as high a Sens as I can stand and I think this ring was found at 75 and at +1 Thresh, DE mode and Notch at 1...please tell me what this Notch thing is for as I never mess with it!!! Still a little noisy but I have learned to deal with the chatter! I must say it again...I love this machine and I can only imagine 5-6 more months with it and some newer areas to hunt what I will be diggin!! I really want old relics and of course old coins but my 1st CW bullet will likely stroke me out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REVIER
Well-known member
I worked hard this summer and found 2 ways to hunt iron infested sites that both work well.
The first I call the blast through method.
Everything is pumped up to max and you hunt in all metal looking for hints of good tones and numbers.
Sense at 99 but I experimented with a little lower settings and they seemed to work well, also.
Thresh at 9, turning it down a bit might work fine too but I never did.
SL is what I usually used, DE will have the faster processor speed and still get pretty deep.
AT, all metal, lots of jumping but eventually I started to see patterns and it all made sense.
Not easy to do, took several hours of practice before I could recognize the difference between actual good high tone targets and false high tones from rusty iron but eventually I got comfortable with this technique and then the good targets started to appear.
I am proud I learned to do this in a site that was so difficult that very few ever came here more than once then took off running when they saw what they had to deal with.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?91,2093783,2095086#msg-2095086
After learning this method I went back after pulling out a large amount of masked and hidden good targets and tried rocket Tom's ideas and methods regarding hunting in heavy iron and you know what...they worked too.
Pretty well as a matter of fact.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?37,865530
He suggests using monotone in iron, and I liked that setting so much and all the information I get from it that I started using it at my more normal park sites with the usual heavy trash you find and most other sites, too.
It works more than well for me at most sites under most conditions and in combination with many different settings.
It has now pretty much become my standard hunting tone setting after many hours of learning to understand it.
Set up the F70 right, learn what it is really trying to tell you and the sky is the limit with thing no matter what site or conditions you may encounter.
The first I call the blast through method.
Everything is pumped up to max and you hunt in all metal looking for hints of good tones and numbers.
Sense at 99 but I experimented with a little lower settings and they seemed to work well, also.
Thresh at 9, turning it down a bit might work fine too but I never did.
SL is what I usually used, DE will have the faster processor speed and still get pretty deep.
AT, all metal, lots of jumping but eventually I started to see patterns and it all made sense.
Not easy to do, took several hours of practice before I could recognize the difference between actual good high tone targets and false high tones from rusty iron but eventually I got comfortable with this technique and then the good targets started to appear.
I am proud I learned to do this in a site that was so difficult that very few ever came here more than once then took off running when they saw what they had to deal with.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?91,2093783,2095086#msg-2095086
After learning this method I went back after pulling out a large amount of masked and hidden good targets and tried rocket Tom's ideas and methods regarding hunting in heavy iron and you know what...they worked too.
Pretty well as a matter of fact.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?37,865530
He suggests using monotone in iron, and I liked that setting so much and all the information I get from it that I started using it at my more normal park sites with the usual heavy trash you find and most other sites, too.
It works more than well for me at most sites under most conditions and in combination with many different settings.
It has now pretty much become my standard hunting tone setting after many hours of learning to understand it.
Set up the F70 right, learn what it is really trying to tell you and the sky is the limit with thing no matter what site or conditions you may encounter.
REVIER
Well-known member
thebig21 said:
Don't mess with the notch unless you really understand how it works on the F70/F75.
It works in conjunction with the disc setting but maybe not the way you might think so do a search here and there are a few threads that will clue you in.
If it is too noisy at 75 turn it down more...you should still get deep.
REVIER
Well-known member
thebig21 said:
You are welcome...I am here to serve.
Some more info about the F70 in this type of environment from my perspective.
The site I mentioned not only had large iron of all types, tools, horse, wagon or other large farm metal, targets and smaller and smaller all the way down to nails of all sizes from tiny to large.
Probably about a million of those littered the landscape.
Oh yea, tiny bits of wire too. everywhere.
There was a house on this little plot of land and they knocked it down but it sure seemed like they figured out a way to take most of the wood away but still somehow left every fricken piece of metal in that house on-site.
In all metal It was rare that I went more than an inch or two before I got iron signals and that was with any coil including the sniper DD.
Every hole I opened, even the ones with good targets, also had 3-4 or more other bits of iron trash in the hole also.
I had been here many times before with other detectors and never found the key to hunting this place, but this time with the F70 I knew I had to have some sort of setting combination that would conquer this site.
I was in the dark for awhile and digging all kinds of iron garbage, but eventually I got to the point that I could dig mostly the good stuff and leave most of the bad down there, and that was using AT.
The last couple of times I hit this site at first with that switch to monotone and kept the sense up high in at least the 80's, SL, disc at 6, thresh was up there still near 9.
I could easily almost paint a picture of what was down there because most signals were clear and a lot more stable than when using all metal.
Dug a few other nice things with that like some wheaties and soon switched to DE.
That switch was amazing because after hunting with SL for many hours I could really tell the difference in the overall speed of the detector and that extra speed made all the signals make much more sense with that stability.
Not long after I made another change and that was an eye opener.
I upped the disc to about 23 and that in conjunction with sense at about mid 80, thresh down to 3 or 4 or lower a few times, and that monotone it was almost like all the best targets had little flags sticking up out of the ground over them...even if they were surrounded by iron.
I tried these same settings in the entryway of a 100 year old park with trash levels that were about what you would expect at a site like that, and managed to pull a silver dime in one of my first holes from about 6" deep and this area of the park has the worst EMI problems I have ever encountered at any other site because this is near the edge near power lines and some huge homes just across the street.
My actual settings were disc at 25, sense at 90. SL speed, thresh was -1, still in monotone.
The amazing thing about these settings was how quiet this thing was at this problem area, and remember I was still in SL.
I had been here many times before and using AT, 4H, 2F and who knows what else and no matter what my settings were at the time it was always way, way noisier than this.
I believe there is a reason for this.
I love using 4H but now I reserve that for fun coin hunting when I want to scoop up the shallow clad.
I use that 1 tone for mostly everything else because it seem to be the quietest at more sites than anything else I have ever tried.
I read that many like 2F because it handles EMI well and it does.
I assume 1F will be pretty quiet too, but I know for sure 1 tone for me seems to be the quietest of them all and scary quiet even at higher power settings if it is set correctly.
I read that Dave J. of First Texas told an F75 user that was having major problems with chatter and EMI everywhere to switch to 1 tone and see if that quieted it down.
Not 2F, not 1F but specifically 1 tone only was mentioned.
If one of the head engineers at a company narrows advice down to this level there has to be a reason I figure, so I listen.
Monotone seems to do it for me, you will find out your favorite settings soon enough for this relic site.
Once you do the fun will really begin.
2 pics below of some of the iron I dug at this site at first, the 3rd pic is what I found after some practice.