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help please

Elton

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See my question posted below..what can I expect ??
Would really appreciate your help. I am a regular Whites user and have been trying Minelabs lately.

I will save you the trouble of looking lower on forum..My Question:

What is the best coil for usage 3khz 7.5khz or a described to me a 18.75 DD coil......Why would you use the different ones and what can I expect from the DD.. Coins, Beach usage only, Prospecting ??Or all the above. Help Please.
 
Hey Elton I have only used the 7.5 up to now so I may not be the best to answer.

The lower the frequency the better it hits on coins. The higher will hit the gold better. The 7.5 is a "good' all around coil and easy to pin point. The DD coils are from what I am reading very good at getting deep. I have the 5x10 eliptical and have not tried it as yet. I hear it really does an good job on the gold and prospecting?

My next coil will be the 3khz coil to look for the coins, as I hear it is a killer on those. I probably will also get the 5 1/2" DD for the trashy spots. Here is a very good list of coils and what they do by BarnacleBill. Good luck, Beale.

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?55,612930,612930#msg-612930
 
Elton, I guess the coil you use depends on what you hunt for and where you hunt. The stock 7.5 is a good middle of the road coil, the 10.5" DD at 7.5 kHz covers more ground, separates better and it's good for higher mineralized ground. The smaller 6" coils are for trashy areas. I have used the 7.5 kHz coils mostly and they do a great job on deep and moderately deep coins and relics. The 6" 18.75 kHz coil does a surprisingly good job on coins and I'm sure it's good for small gold and jewelry. I haven't tried the 3 kHz coils, so I can't comment on those. Lots of choices out there and they will all do a good job, but some are better than others depending on the situation. The good thing is that there seems to be no "drop off" point where the coil doesn't produce, the frequencies overlap each other. Ron
 
Exactly which coils do you have coming, not just frequency, but size & style? Also approaching it from the other direction, what is it that you are attempting to locate? What and where do you hunt?

The reason I am asking for this information is that there are some very specialized detectorists that frequent the forum. Prospectors from AK & Oz that know their stuff, and have very certain preferences for very detailed reasons. Relic hunters that are hardcore and also know what works for that application. Park hunters, field hunters, waders, saltwater beach bums etc. You just need to be a little more specific and these guys & gals will drown you in information. Especially with cabin fever setting in for some, they'll be chomping at the bit to talk 'tectin.

HH
BarnacleBill
 
Your choice of coil will depend on the sites you hunt and the targets you are hunting for. By design, DD coils are better suited for areas with higher mineralization. In a DD coil, the two coils are positioned so that most ground signal in the receive coil is eliminated. As well, the DD coil incorporates smaller diameter windings for the transmit and receive coil. This factor makes the DD coil have less antenna effect, resulting in less noise being detected and amplified into your ears. On the other hand, if you are in moderately mineralized soil, you will likely get more depth from a similarly sized concentric. I hunt in a part of the Country that, for the most part, has moderately mineralized soil. In deciding which coil to use at a specific site, my unofficial "rule of thumb" is to use concentric coils if the GB reading I obtain is mid 20's or higher. If the GB reading is less than say 28, I use the DD coils. My exception to that rule is the 6-inch DD coil at 18.75 kHz. I don't use it for the frequency. I use it simply because I believe I get better target separation with the DD design than I do the concentric of the same size.

As to comparing frequencies and determining which may provide the best service for you...... the theory is that lower frequencies provide better response to higher conductive targets such as copper and silver. Higher frequencies provide a better response to lower conductive targets such as gold. Now, that is NOT to say that any one frequency of X-Terra coil is not good for all three. I am convinced they are all more than capable of detecting coins made of silver, copper or gold. (nugget hunters will likely chose the 18.75 kHz coils for the reason mentioned). With that stated, I don't chose my coil based on what they might be best at detecting specific targets. (in my case, old coins) As I said, ALL of them do a sufficient job. This may sound odd, but I chose mine for the response they provide on targets that they are not designed to be best at detecting. Let me explain.....since the 3 khz coil is best suited for silver and copper, it makes sense to me that it isn't as sensitive to lower conductive targets such as aluminum can slaw and small bits of deep iron. So when I am hunting coins at most of my favorite sites, I use the 3 kHz concentric. If I could get a 3 kHz X-Terra coil in a 6-inch DD design, I'd use it. (are you listening Minelab Santa?) If I were hitting the beaches searching for gold jewelry and coins, I'd likely put on one of the 18.75 kHz coils. As mentioned before, Nugget hunters are finding the 18.75 kHz coils to outperform the other frequencies. And with both examples, the size and shape of the coil is left to the task at hand and the "comfort factor" as to size and shape. By task at hand, remember the elliptical coil covers a lot of ground in a lightweight package. But it is not waterproofed by Minelab and being a solid coil, it is more boyant than the "spider" coils. For all around hunting, coins, jewelry and relics, the 7.5 kHz does just fine. And again, depending on the mineralization at the specific site, I'd make the decision to use either the DD or concentric.

As a final note, I believe any of the coils made for the X-Terra will serve coin shooters and relic hunters well. I made my personal choices by comparing them head to head in the places available to me. As I said, I like the 3 kHz for what it doesn't do as much as for what it does. It likes silver and copper much more than it does aluminum and iron. Since it only comes in a 9-inch concentric, that is the one I use in wide open spaces. I like the 6-inch DD for target separation in trashy environments. The 18.75 kHz may not provide the audio "sound" that I would prefer for rejecting aluminum and iron. But since it only comes in 18.75 kHz, that is the one I use. My reasons for chosing a specific coil may not be the same as yours. I chose the frequency that works best for me on old coins in open areas. And I chose the size and design for those times when target separation is my primary concern. But again, any of them will provide proficient "detectibility" for 90% of the users. They're so close in performance that if someone put another frequency coil on my X-70 when I wasn't looking, or if someone switched the 6-inch concentric with the 6-inch DD, I might not even notice! HH Randy
 
I have standard 3khz......standard 7.5 khz and the 18.75 DD not sure of the exact size............Just trying to know what to do with the coils I mostly coin shoot.
Some old Farm sites and fields....some very old parks..I am also at this time trying to learn the Minelab XS It's proving to be a job after mostly using an XLT for last few years or so.....All will arrive Wednesday and I will post size of DD coil Thanks for your responses and Randy appreciate the detailed explanation on coils.....
 
Thank you all...Appreciate it.
 
regarding coil size for a specific task. Take an old park fer instance, most of them have been hunted hard for years. If you want to get anything out of them and they are not super trashy using a bigger coil can pay off big time. Its not just for the depth factor either, in many cases larger coils will light up mid depth 6-7" coins that for one reason or another stock coils just don't see. I have seen this happen many times and posts on the forums by other deep turf hunters confirm this as well. The 10.5" DD MF coil many of the relic hunters are using should be a good one to have. Something to think about.

Tom
 
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