Help me help a rookie, with Zero patience

[cometguy]

Man, I am lost on how to help a friend of mine. This will be his second try with the Deus and he is freaking out and frustrated already. I think the Deus is pretty much a turn on and go machine. Sure you can adjust things but if you don't you still find cool stuff. Has anybody got a general, yard, grass, cherry picking program for coins only they could share? I haven't done much changing on my machine but have started changing things just to be able to answer his questions. I think to make him happy I need to turn the iron volume way down, notch a lot of things out, and let nickels and coins through. This machine is so perfect for him if I could get him to keep it long enough to learn it. Let me know if you have any ideas.

Don
HH

 

[robez509]

Try notching out the bottle caps- You Tube - Ignoring bottle caps with the XP Deus. - You can just cherry pick the clad and silver if any.

Zero patience will not last in this hobby tho, my 2 cents.

Good luck.

 

[CZconnoisseur]

Man, I am lost on how to help a friend of mine. This will be his second try with the Deus and he is freaking out and frustrated already. I think the Deus is pretty much a turn on and go machine. Sure you can adjust things but if you don't you still find cool stuff. Has anybody got a general, yard, grass, cherry picking program for coins only they could share? I haven't done much changing on my machine but have started changing things just to be able to answer his questions. I think to make him happy I need to turn the iron volume way down, notch a lot of things out, and let nickels and coins through. This machine is so perfect for him if I could get him to keep it long enough to learn it. Let me know if you have any ideas.

Don
HH

Try this one Don:

4 khz**
Reactivity 3
Silencer 0
Sens 85
Disc 2.0
Full tones*
GB 90
Ground Notch 85-90
ID norm OFF
Notch 00-32, 45-64 (zincolns gone, Wheats + some Indians hit 66-70), and 93-99 for bottlecaps

*If he doesn't like full tones then make your breaks at 32 and 70 for 3T (32, 66, and 74 for 4T) This way the audio will tell you nickel/zinc penny/copper penny plus Wheats, and silver. I used this program for rental houses before learning full tones.

**If 4 khz is too noisy due to EMI - the 12 khz equivalent is:

12 khz
TX 3
Reactivity 3
Silencer 2
Sens 85
Disc 2.0
Full tones***
GB 90
Ground notch 85-90
ID norm off
Notch 00-45, 59-82 (allowing for most Wheats and some Indians while getting rid of zincolns0, and 97-99 for large iron.

***If he doesn't like full tones then make your breaks at 45 and 82 for 3T (45, 82, and 89 for 4T) This way the audio will tell you nickel/zinc penny/copper penny plus Wheats, and silver. I used this program for rental houses before learning full tones and if you're after coins only this one works well (at least in my soil!)

Silencer of 2 will help "break up" bottlecaps both most of them will ID 85-91 and be bouncy while a coin will almost always have a steady VDI within 1-2 points (most of the time LOL)

Let us know how it goes!!!!

 

[TexanWest]

Build yourself some test sticks with paint stirs, just buy a bunch of different kinds of coins if you don't already have them, then build your program around what you are willing to give up. Knowing my area, and knowing that some coins just aren't here because they pre-date Phoenix, I can go out and find at least one silver, and many wheats on any given day. My favorite coins to find are nickels because they are a challenge with all the tabs. Tabs numbers usually jump around more than nickels do, so I get my share of nickels. (all of my nickels register between 60-64 on ID Norm) I know that I'm walking over some cool stuff in the ground, but I work really hard all week with a beat up old body. The last thing that I want to do is dig tons of trash.

I built my coins only program and put it in a spot directly next to Andy's Bottle Cap rejection program, then when I get a possible bottle cap, I pop onto this 4 Khz program, if the number jumps higher than it was in the 12 Khz program, it is a bottle cap, don't dig.

I built a really simple program that is just about fool proof for "coins only" on 12 Khz. Run "ID NORMAL" or the numbers will be wrong.

You can set your program any which way that you choose, but to eliminate trash (almost all trash) you can set your notches to the following:

Disc 10
Notch 10-58
2nd notch 65-88

This looks terrible on paper, but if you look at my photo attached, you will see that of all the coins, I'm only losing the following:

Flying Eagle cent from 1858
The half dime
1943 steel penny
The Indian Head Penny (registers same as zinc, no thanks)
Zinc pennies

Set your other perameters for your hunt.

Where I am, there is so much trash that I hunt with:

TX 1 (I don't need to go deep here, more power makes it harder to get clear target seperation between trash)
Sens 80 or less
Ground balance 2-3 higher than the actual ground that I'm hunting. This eliminates a lot of the little chirps.
Silencer: Plus 1
Reactivity 3 or more. The higher number, the slower I swing the coil.
I run "Full Tones" and keep my audio response up over 4 just so that I can hear deeper coins.

Hunting this way really quiets the machine, every now and then I bounce back to "Basic One" just to know how much garbage I'm stepping over.

If you think this is too restrictive, try it first. I usually dig a keeper every few minutes in a park that is said to be hunted out. Even with my power turned this far down, I've dug silver at about 7 inches that showed on the VDI. They don't allow anything larger than hand tools in this old park, so I don't want deep anyway.

 

[mtsheron]

I am a Deus newb too so I cannot give advice. Only thing I can say is you need to have a bit of patience. No machine tells you exactly what is beneath the surface. Some just do a better job at indicating what it may be. Also, I have found if your not in a target rich environment you are not going to get anything anyway. This machine and no other produces targets.....just indicates them.

So if you have a buddy that has low patience this may not be the hobby for him. How new is he to the hobby? I watched this machine for months and read others post and still almost backed out! I am now glad I have it. I still have my Garrett ACE and use it as a back up and it does a good job for what it is. Simpler to understand for sure but not as impressive of a machine.

The Deus I believe is a machine that is best learned using the pre-set programs first and then branch out from there. Learn the tones......dig all good tones......see what you uncover......then you have a stored away memory of what is what for referencing like a super computer when you hear that sound again.

But then again..............I am a newb like I stated to the Deus. But so far..............more machine than I could ever handle!

 

[squirrel1]

Patience is the key. Let him run basic 1 program, turn iron vol to zero and set ground balance to tracking. Now the deus is a good one. Yeah you can notch things out but I'd rather see him dig some of the lower VDI targets for learning. He can just dig say the 75 and up and not dig so much trash, but the VDI reading on the deus is only a guide. One of the first things your bud needs to learn with his deus is what big iron sounds like. It will make the deus sing unless you maybe notch out 98-99, but even this is no guarantee some big iron won't come through. It has a distinct sound but hard to describe and the deus acts a bit funny when over it. Try and keep his reactvity to 2 and silencer to 2 until he gets better acquainted. Also let him use his deus over some of the undug targets located by his buds using their detectors. You may try and hunt alongside him(just accompany him no detector) with his speaker activated and headphones disabled so you can both hear what's going on. Do you know of another deus user nearby?? The minelabs will get you digging silver with less junk a lot faster than deus for sure. I own minelab CTX, used to have etrac, White's V3i, Fisher F75se, and a deus with another deus on the way. The deus is the most versatile detector out there IMO. Good on coin, jewelry, gold, relics. You swings a white's v3i after using deus you'd think you were lifting a saw log. The coil footprint of the deus along with great processor speed means the deus is tops in nails/iron. It can't be beat IMO. If your bud is a dig all kinda detectorists he better be phsically fit cause the deus will lite up any and all nonferrous from a pin head size to the biggest. In very old sites this is the cats meow detector. For say a football stadium concession stand no so good. For half day to all day hunts the deus is tops. Your bud may be better off getting out in the country and away from town to practice with his deus. Tell your bud to read the internet ala findmall and others on other peoples woes with their deus machines. Remember Rome wasn't built in a day and noone will be a whiz with a deus in one day either. Food for thought when the deus first came out there were seveal naysayers who balked at its so called performance and price. Well take as look the deus is as cheap as the White's flagship with wireless headphones and cheaper than the minelab flagship. And with software capabilty upgrade the deus is a detector that can be improved without spending for an another detector. And it's performance has really been unleashed by upgrade version 3.2. Five year warranty is great and should be the gold standard for warranty on flagship machines costing over $1500. If your bud's patience continue to wear thin convince him to keep the deus and get say a garrett at pro. He can continuie to practice at times with his deus and he will eventually see the light and thank you for convincing him to keep the deus. Good luck

 

[cometguy]

I am too far away to help him much except on the phone. I am not one to play a lot. I use a modified Deus fast and almost never change a thing. My big experiment in tuning was to set up a similar program with a much lower frequency to flip over and check targets with. These are great tips. He has been hunting forever but jumps from machine to machine at the drop of a hat. He sometimes buys and sells the same model 2 or 3 times before giving up on it. He has already had a Deus and got frustrated and gave up. This is round two and I hope I can help him. The Deus is perfect for his kind of hunting. Thanks, for all of your ideas.

Don

 

[lytle78]

I think much of the above advice may be helpful. I hppe it is of help to your friend, but I can't help wondering however if your friend has purchased the correct detector.

The Deus is about the worst match for somebody who coinshoots that I know of. It was designed by M. Loubet in France for European detecting. Over there everything which isn't iron is interesting. The Deus provides many ways to find the most elusive "goodies" in a sea of iron junk. Tiny silver hammerd coins half the size of a dime and no thicker than a business card surrounded my rust flakes and old nails.

If he wants to know if he is over a nickel or a zink penny before he digs it, then I would suggest the excellent Whites Coinmaster GT. I Had one. Perfect US coin ID, OK depth, $200 used.

Seriously, the Deus is abrilliant detector, but it DEMANDS serious study and practice to avoid digging lots of junk.

Recently on vacation in Denmark I dug about 10 coins, about 100 steel bottle caps and pounds of rusty farm implement bits in about 40 hours of detecting. I'm not a newcomer, and none of the about 40 other guys using Deus detectors did much better on the trash to treasure ratio. The Deus is like that. I snagged a paper thin silver coin from 1770 from about 6", but tid didn't sound much metter than the bottlecaps.

 

[Charles(Sabre)(Tx)]

Check out XP-man's settings in his last post...looks like a winner. It could only help. ✴