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Daniel Tn

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I got my old F75 back a few weeks ago and had a chance to borrow a Tesoro Tejon and done a video with it. That video made a lot of folks antsy about me not putting the Tejon in all metal mode and questioning where I had the disc set at on it. So I decided to do another video. I got a new camera and decided to go for broke once and for all on this issue.

Years ago, there were a few folks that were raving about the Tejon and its ability to go very deep. I'm talking about being able to detect bullets and buttons in the 13-15 inch range in discriminate mode, no matter what kind of dirt, etc. I always disagreed with that...and in this video here, my reasoning was that IF it could do that at 13-15 inches...than a bullet at 5-6 inches should be no problem at all. Well that's what I show with 2 bullets. Then the flack started happening. If you haven't seen the 1st video...here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbJLXeWnBiM



So I came back and did this one over the weekend, and this still leans upon the 1st video I ever did with the F-75. If you watch it all the way through, what I'm showing is setting the F75 up in disc mode to reject a small square nail. Then going over a minie ball at about 6-7 inches deep. In bad dirt you hear the signal but you also hear how it's broken up in sorts. This was done with 1 tone and sensitivity on 90. Then later on, you can hear how clear it rings out in all metal mode and how it kind of IDs a little better if you watch the screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJniGwrfAn8
 
Daniel. I see you got your old F75 back. I'm wondering. What about the LTD. What's your take on it compared to the old F75. I seen your video on the deep bullet you dug with it. Do you still have it? If not why did you part with it? Do you feel the old F75 is better? I'm just wondering.
 
Hey,

I reckon the general thought about the LTD I had, was that most folks think it had a bad coil. I can't say for sure...I never tried another coil on it. But the one we had was so erratic that you couldn't hunt with it. It acted like it wouldn't GB or something and chattered all the time. I had no idea that something was wrong with it....just thought that it was the nature of the beast and I liked the old F75 better because I could run it hot and it was smooth.
 
The first video was over on the Tesoro forum.

I still like the Tejon with the clean sweep coil for the play grounds. Besides covering ground, it easily gets up close to poles and fences. But I am really not looking to go deep during those hunts.

For most hunts, the LTD just kicks butt. Too bad there isn't one more coil of say about 3" x 18" dimensions for it ;-)
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This thread appeals to me because I can get a Tejon CHEAP, but I'd rather invest more money in the best machine for relics. Furthermore, my decision had come down to exactly these two type machines. Thanks!
 
Good video, but to be fair you should have a DD coil on the Tejon.......... wha? just sayin :)

I wish thats all the snow we had :)
 
I'm hearing this one a lot "to be fair...." . Okay here's the scoop on the coil issue. The coil never was a factor in the original myth I was debunking. As a matter of fact, the claims for the 13-15 inch bullets and buttons came with just a stock Tejon and stock coil. Nothing more and nothing less. That's exactly what was used in these two videos. I guess I should have really chose my words better in setting these videos up. The intent of the first video that I did, was this: I was going to use the F75 to locate what I felt were bullet signals. I was going to film the F75s response on the bullets to show there really was something there...then film the Tejon going over the same spot to show what I already knew a Tejon could not and would not do (from owning a few of them myself in the past). As I said in Video #1 -- If it could hit a bullet at 15 inches, than one at 5-6 inches shouldn't be a problem. And you heard and saw the response it gave on a couple of bullets that was around 5" deep.

That should have been the end of discussion, BUT I got weak and let some folks get to me with their comments about "this ain't fair...you need to do it this way or that way" and catered to the whining. I forgot one of the big rules of thumb...YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY!! Somebody will always have something negative to say about anything. But it's like this here: I said in one of the videos a while back that if folks didn't like watching them...than stop watching them. Because I'm doing them for the ones that like them. And believe you me, there are a LOT of folks that like 'em.
 
But like I said, I've been getting a lot of folks making that same comment. I just used your post to vent on it a little. LOL.
 
Ok,I have watched the videos you have posted.This is from a Tejon user and from a brother that has a F75.I guess my question is have you used your F75 with somebody that knew how to use the Tejon?When my brother has what he thinks is a good signal,I will check it with my Tejon.It is usually the same,Sometimes the Tejon says no,when his says yes.So far the Tejon has not been wrong.Also,the F75 will have a signal that says yes but,it will be IRON,old IRON,both dectors will be fooled.I have been detecting for off and on since the early 80's to now.My brother has been detecting longer.He will get the best out of a medal detector.I have not had to buy a Fisher because I could not find what he was finding.Also, for the money a LTD runs around $1100.00 compared to $559.00.It may take a long while to find enough treasure to pay for the difference.
 
And most are hot air as far as vlf machines are concerned unless you are in clean non-mineralized sand.I wonder how many of those guys ever dug a 15" deep hole in normal dirt for any kind of target.Same kinda stories I hear from local fishermen on the size of their catch :bouncy:
 
I've had 3 of them over the years. I'm not an idiot when it comes to detectors. Ground balancing a Tesoro is pretty straight forward and basic. I found stuff with the Tesoro machines, don't get me wrong. But as I've said a thousand times over, I live in dirt that ain't kind to Tesoro machines. That's why when you go to VA and hit the Brandy Station/Culpeper county area, you don't see anybody that's relic hunted long, hunting with a Tesoro machine. That's why when you go to the DIV hunts, you don't see anybody doing any good with a Tesoro machine. That same dirt they got up there, I have down my way. What kills a Tesoro machine in this dirt...is the very thing that makes Tesoro famous: solid discrimination. This dirt is made up of HEAVY natural iron. Any amount of discrimination will knock out the goodies. That's why you can walk right over a 1 ounce piece of lead (bullet) at 4-5 inches deep and never know it was there.

BTW...my F75 ain't the LTD model. Mine cost me $500 bucks used out of these very classifieds and has been the best detector I've ever owned. I even own a TDI pulse machine and in the bad dirt, it will out hunt the F75 ESPECIALLY on brass....but I still have a hard time putting that F75 down.
 
When you were detecting the mini-ball with the F75 in the second video, I'd love to see it at 0 disc if it's stable enough. That's when I've found that machine to be crazy sensitive and deep. Seems pretty clear that it's outperforming the Tesoro, but I'd like to see you show the difference, if any, in your dirt between 0 disc, 10 disc, and 25 disc. Based on my experience in more mild dirt a fringe target at 0 disc is "not there" at 10 disc. It's a valuable test, because I'm not sure folks understand that they're losing depth when they either choose to or have to (because of EMI) select a disc in that 6 - 23 range.
 
Shambler said:
Based on my experience in more mild dirt a fringe target at 0 disc is "not there" at 10 disc. It's a valuable test, because I'm not sure folks understand that they're losing depth when they either choose to or have to (because of EMI) select a disc in that 6 - 23 range.
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Based on my experience, I can get roughly equivalent performance out of the F75 LTD using any discrimination as long as 1) I change the sensitivity to yield a constant background chatter (increase with increasing DISC) and 2) Target VID is not within a few points of the discrimination limit. In fact, I still find better performance, in my dirt, when hunting a 8" deep silver dime at DISC=65 compared to my previous-deepest detector, my ML Explorer-II fitted with the Pro coil. It's sometimes fun to effortlessly hunt using DISC=50, and notched-in nickels, with moderate sensitivities (50-75). It's somewhat akin to hunting with an Explorer using Auto sensitivity.
 
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