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Has anyone tested a Tesoro against the Racer?
- Thread starter slingshot
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cant help you with that one 
seen a few forsale though but then some people don't want to learn a new machine just because it takes time and some people sware by a machine and others don't care for it, think it just depends on how much time people want to spend on a new machine.
and I have found there really is only one way to find out if you like it or not and that's to fork out the cash
or say really nice things about a company in every word and get a free one
but I sell my soul to no detector company I use what works for me 
AJ
seen a few forsale though but then some people don't want to learn a new machine just because it takes time and some people sware by a machine and others don't care for it, think it just depends on how much time people want to spend on a new machine.
and I have found there really is only one way to find out if you like it or not and that's to fork out the cash
or say really nice things about a company in every word and get a free one
but I sell my soul to no detector company I use what works for me AJ
slingshot I put a deposit on one when they 1st come me out and pulled the pin for me I wanted to see what come out in the wash as they hit the ground, and glad I did for my hunting needs it didn't fit or cover any gap in the ones I have cant fill.
but we all have different needs and from what I have read they do pretty good in nails but I am not needing another machine for that, so didn't bother, so no that's the only experience I can offer, which is very little !
AJ
but we all have different needs and from what I have read they do pretty good in nails but I am not needing another machine for that, so didn't bother, so no that's the only experience I can offer, which is very little !
AJ
Davethejunky
TROLL #2
I have the Racer and Vaquero. I have done some side by side testing (with stock coils) on live hunts and they both hit every target, even a trade token at a measured 9 inches with diggable signal. When I say "diggable signal" I mean audio, the racer bounced around a bit on numbers but the audio made me dig. As far as separation goes I have to give it to the V, I found a Merc about 4 inches deep first with the V then ran the Racer over it. The V was a sharp signal but the Racer had a signal that sounded like the V trying to reject large iron and the numbers weren't convincing, but that has also happened with the V as well.
I did find a watch fob at 10 inches first with the Racer then tried the V and the Racer nailed it with audio and VDI, the V had a scratchy tone that would have made me think twice about digging.
I could go on and on but most results were the same, if I had to choose from either one I would have a hard time because I like them both, I think the Racer is a slightly heaver Vaquero with a VDI screen. Either way you look at it, they are very close in performance.
I did find a watch fob at 10 inches first with the Racer then tried the V and the Racer nailed it with audio and VDI, the V had a scratchy tone that would have made me think twice about digging.
I could go on and on but most results were the same, if I had to choose from either one I would have a hard time because I like them both, I think the Racer is a slightly heaver Vaquero with a VDI screen. Either way you look at it, they are very close in performance.
Davethejunky
TROLL #2
I don't think the Racer will do that, at least in my tests. I know it has great separation though. I have been thinking about this and honestly, there is no way I could decide on the Racer or my Vaquero if I had to choose one. They are both so good.
Davethejunky
TROLL #2
I agree, the V can do the job at half the cost, no need for a meter if you are like me and dig everything anyway.slingshot said:
For 32 years now, since the summer of '83 when I started using and selling Tesoro's, I have regarded a good-working Tesoro as the high-mark for any detector to try to match or better in the types of highly mineralized, and very trashy places [size=small](ferrous and non-ferrous junk)[/size] that I prefer to search. As avid Tesoro users know, most of the competion might have some strong points here and there with features and visual displays, etc., and even provide better depth of detection in some favorable environments [size=small](sites that don't have shallower-located masking targets)[/size], but most, and I mean m-o-s-t of them will not match the level of performance we enjoy with most Tesoro's when using the best search coils for hunting in densely littered sites.
There have only been a few makes and models from popular manufacturers that provided sufficient target separation when rejecting iron nails that I felt comfortable using. Perhaps the closest competition for a good Tesoro in dense iron nails was the White's Classic series. With their available 4½" or 6½" Concentric search coils they were a great match against my favorite Tesoro's, the 'original' Bandido, Silver Sabre II and Bandido II, using the earlier 7" Concentric coil or the newer 6" Concentric coils I prefer today. The Classic's, like these earlier Tesoro models, tend to handle dense iron nails a little 'cleaner' or 'quieter' with less chirpiness or ticky response when rejecting the Iron Nails like my newer Silver Sabre µMAX, Bandido II µMAX and small-housed Eldorado.
Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy my three newer Tesoro favorites, too, because they do okay in dense masking trash and also provide a little better depth and a little louder target response on mid-depth to deeper targets than my other earlier three favorite models [size=small](all six, by the way, ride in my vehicle full-time and are ready-to-go!)[/size].
The Cibola and Vaquero and Tejón and Eldorado all have a broader-range of target acceptance, as does the Compadre, when the Discrimination is set at the minimum, thus they can accept or respond to many or all iron nails. If you then increase the discrimination to the point they just tick or barely reject iron nails, then you can compare other makes and models against Tesoro performance.
For the best comparison of iron nail rejection and good-target response, I have relied on my Nail Board Performance Test for over 21 years now and it definitely sorts the 'keepers' from the 'losers' when it comes to finding a detector that provides BOTH iron nail rejection as well as quick-recovery and response to potentially masked targets. The NBPT was derived from an actual in-the-field encounter and depicts similar site challenges I have encountered hunting ghost towns since May of '69 that have a lot of trash, but especially iron nails.
Some of the more modern detectors we enjoy, even a couple that I really like for a lot of urban Coin Hunting and some old-site hunting when it isn't heavily littered, have a quick-response and fast-recovery which is great! But they do not handle processing rejected targets well and still recover quickly to respond to non-ferrous targets in a dense iron littered site. The NBPT can provide 8 responses, if you sweep the 4 marked directions from both the left and the right. Noted "relic hunting" models that have a fast response can do reasonably well on my NBPT, such as a Fisher F19 with the round 5" DD coil, or sometimes with the stock 5X10 DD elliptical coil, but usually with a controlled sweep the best you can do is maybe 6-out-of-8 hits.
The White's MX5, M6 and MXT series, using their smaller 6½" round Concentric coil, can get 7 or sometimes a borderline 8-out-of-8 hits, but they are a little noisier with an 'after-beep' or 'burp' on most passes over the nails and centered coin. The Garrett AT Pro with the 4½" or next-up smaller coil can do 'OK,' but also gets a little 'burpy' at times. None of them can handle the Iron Nail rejection and favorable response to an Indian Head 1¢ on this test as quietly and cleanly as the White's Classic models, and slightly better are my all-time favorite Tesoro models.
Then along comes the Nokta FORS CoRe and in evaluating it I found that with the smaller-size coil, which I refer to as an 'OOR' coil [size=small](shaped like I have called the Tesoro 8X9's since they were introduced because these coils are just "Out-Of-Round" and not dramatically changed to a typical 'elliptical')[/size], did quite well when I set the Discrimination to just barely reject the Iron Nails. Then along came the Makro Racer and it follows a very similar circuitry design and control adjustment and I needed/wanted to compare it against my other detectors.
I prefer to use smaller-than-stock coils most of the time because I most often search places with a lot of brush, building rubble and trash to deal with, or even urban setting s with metal structures and fences. I do use a 'standard-size' search coil from time to time and keep my stock 8X9 Concentric mounted on my Tesoro Eldorado for such times, and used to use the 9" 'spider' Concentric coil on a White's MXT Pro for open areas.
Well, I compared the Makro Racer with the stock coil [size=small](which is almost the total amount of time I have used that 7X11 DD as it is not comfortable for me and is too big for places I hunt)[/size] and it could be set to just barely reject the Iron Nails and the performance was comparable to the Fisher F19, Garrett AT Pro and White's MXT Pro their 'standard' coils. It didn't match the performance I could get with my Tesoro's I had [size=small](an 'original' Bandido w/stock white 8" coil, a Bandido II µMAX w/brown 8" coil or Outlaw with the newer white 8" coil)[/size], but as I have stated, Tesoro performance has been the standard I set over three decades ago and for good reason .... Tesoro work!
But .... I also had the little 'OOR' and the 5½X10 elliptical Double-D coils for the Racer and I wanted to put them to work in comparisons. The 5½X10 DD on the Racer worked great, and the performance was much better than I had from the two F19's I had last year, the Garrett AT Pro I had evaluated, and the MXT Pro and MX5 I had at the time. With the little 'OOR' coil the Racer was easily the better detector for trashy environments than ANY of the Target ID/Tone ID models I had used in the past year or two as well as the models I had, and I even kept the Racer and it bumped my long-liked White's MXT Pro and year old MX5 from my arsenal.
The Racer's iron trash handling abilities, especially with the 'OOR' coil which is the one I keep mounted to it full-time, was a match for the performance I got from Tesoro's! I parted with my Bandido II µMAX, MXT Pro, M6, and Classic ID this year by the end of February because the Makro Racer worked so well and I was busy trimming many detectors from my personal detector battery. I had the Outlaw which, at the time, I figured I'd like enough to keep to compliment an 'original' Bandido, but I didn't care for the Outlaw's audio with my impaired hearing.
Then I had a new problem with the Racer, or on account of the Racer. I especially like the smaller 'OOR' coil, and I do like the Racer's visual display information and choice of search modes, and straight forward control adjustments and, as I mentioned, it took the place of my other Target ID/Tone ID models and was supported by my Tesoro's for multi-purpose hunting.
So, what was the "problem?" Well, the problem was that the Makro Racer kept things 'simple' and I like 'simple.' It was also very 'functional' and I like 'functional' just like I also enjoy having 'performance.' But it also put some 'fun' back into enjoying this great sport due to the excellent performance, balance and handling in iron plagued sites where I usually hunt, and that made me start to reminisce about all the FUN I have enjoyed Tesoro's through the past years. Then that led me to ponder even more about my long-time favorite Tesoro models, .... how simple, functional, and performance-based they were.
I set out to try and locate very clean specimens of my all-time favorite Tesoro's to rebuild my arsenal with detectors I know can handle all of the worst-case iron-challenged sites I hunt. Ghost towns, homesteads, old encampments, and the list goes on. As you can see below in my signature, my current detector battery does have a Makro Racer in the alphabetical list, and my 'original' Bandido. Also note, however, that I have completed equipping my outfit with all of my favorite Tesoro models to include them as they progressed with a Silver Sabre II, then Bandido II, and the three smaller-and-lighter micro-MAX housed units with a Silver Sabre µMAX, Bandido II µMAX and Eldorado.
Yes, I compared Tesoro models and the Racer. The Makro Racer is an excellent performing detector, especially for some of the toughest good-target masking challenges, and is one of the very few detectors anyone could have and use to compete with a good-working Tesoro for similar hunting needs. But it obviously doesn't totally out-class the long-proven Tesoro performance or I wouldn't be as enthused as I am owning and using the excellent detector arsenal that is primarily comprised of my favored Tesoro's.
Your Compadre would fit in the line-up in being able to provide the same kind of iron nail rejection and good-target response as all the models I own and tote around, but it just lacks the versatility that some people [size=small](me for example)[/size] like to have such as a true Threshold-based All Metal/Pinpoint function, Sensitivity and some other adjustments, and mainly a connector to allow search coil changeability.
Sorry to be so lengthy. I could have said yes, and it works well, but the end response is Yes, the Racer works quite well, has replaced all the other Target ID/Tone ID detectors I had, and makes a great complement to the non-display Tesoro detectors that I still hold in high regard and keep at the top of my list by which I compare all other detectors for serious performance against target masking conditions.
Monte
There have only been a few makes and models from popular manufacturers that provided sufficient target separation when rejecting iron nails that I felt comfortable using. Perhaps the closest competition for a good Tesoro in dense iron nails was the White's Classic series. With their available 4½" or 6½" Concentric search coils they were a great match against my favorite Tesoro's, the 'original' Bandido, Silver Sabre II and Bandido II, using the earlier 7" Concentric coil or the newer 6" Concentric coils I prefer today. The Classic's, like these earlier Tesoro models, tend to handle dense iron nails a little 'cleaner' or 'quieter' with less chirpiness or ticky response when rejecting the Iron Nails like my newer Silver Sabre µMAX, Bandido II µMAX and small-housed Eldorado.
Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy my three newer Tesoro favorites, too, because they do okay in dense masking trash and also provide a little better depth and a little louder target response on mid-depth to deeper targets than my other earlier three favorite models [size=small](all six, by the way, ride in my vehicle full-time and are ready-to-go!)[/size].
Visual display and audio Tone ID can be useful, at times, and helpful when all things are favorable for it to work, but in the end, we need to have decent iron trash rejection and good non-ferrous target response ... if we want to audibly reject iron nails and sort the 'keepers' from the junk.slingshot said:
The Cibola and Vaquero and Tejón and Eldorado all have a broader-range of target acceptance, as does the Compadre, when the Discrimination is set at the minimum, thus they can accept or respond to many or all iron nails. If you then increase the discrimination to the point they just tick or barely reject iron nails, then you can compare other makes and models against Tesoro performance.
For the best comparison of iron nail rejection and good-target response, I have relied on my Nail Board Performance Test for over 21 years now and it definitely sorts the 'keepers' from the 'losers' when it comes to finding a detector that provides BOTH iron nail rejection as well as quick-recovery and response to potentially masked targets. The NBPT was derived from an actual in-the-field encounter and depicts similar site challenges I have encountered hunting ghost towns since May of '69 that have a lot of trash, but especially iron nails.
Some of the more modern detectors we enjoy, even a couple that I really like for a lot of urban Coin Hunting and some old-site hunting when it isn't heavily littered, have a quick-response and fast-recovery which is great! But they do not handle processing rejected targets well and still recover quickly to respond to non-ferrous targets in a dense iron littered site. The NBPT can provide 8 responses, if you sweep the 4 marked directions from both the left and the right. Noted "relic hunting" models that have a fast response can do reasonably well on my NBPT, such as a Fisher F19 with the round 5" DD coil, or sometimes with the stock 5X10 DD elliptical coil, but usually with a controlled sweep the best you can do is maybe 6-out-of-8 hits.
The White's MX5, M6 and MXT series, using their smaller 6½" round Concentric coil, can get 7 or sometimes a borderline 8-out-of-8 hits, but they are a little noisier with an 'after-beep' or 'burp' on most passes over the nails and centered coin. The Garrett AT Pro with the 4½" or next-up smaller coil can do 'OK,' but also gets a little 'burpy' at times. None of them can handle the Iron Nail rejection and favorable response to an Indian Head 1¢ on this test as quietly and cleanly as the White's Classic models, and slightly better are my all-time favorite Tesoro models.
Then along comes the Nokta FORS CoRe and in evaluating it I found that with the smaller-size coil, which I refer to as an 'OOR' coil [size=small](shaped like I have called the Tesoro 8X9's since they were introduced because these coils are just "Out-Of-Round" and not dramatically changed to a typical 'elliptical')[/size], did quite well when I set the Discrimination to just barely reject the Iron Nails. Then along came the Makro Racer and it follows a very similar circuitry design and control adjustment and I needed/wanted to compare it against my other detectors.
I prefer to use smaller-than-stock coils most of the time because I most often search places with a lot of brush, building rubble and trash to deal with, or even urban setting s with metal structures and fences. I do use a 'standard-size' search coil from time to time and keep my stock 8X9 Concentric mounted on my Tesoro Eldorado for such times, and used to use the 9" 'spider' Concentric coil on a White's MXT Pro for open areas.
Well, I compared the Makro Racer with the stock coil [size=small](which is almost the total amount of time I have used that 7X11 DD as it is not comfortable for me and is too big for places I hunt)[/size] and it could be set to just barely reject the Iron Nails and the performance was comparable to the Fisher F19, Garrett AT Pro and White's MXT Pro their 'standard' coils. It didn't match the performance I could get with my Tesoro's I had [size=small](an 'original' Bandido w/stock white 8" coil, a Bandido II µMAX w/brown 8" coil or Outlaw with the newer white 8" coil)[/size], but as I have stated, Tesoro performance has been the standard I set over three decades ago and for good reason .... Tesoro work!
But .... I also had the little 'OOR' and the 5½X10 elliptical Double-D coils for the Racer and I wanted to put them to work in comparisons. The 5½X10 DD on the Racer worked great, and the performance was much better than I had from the two F19's I had last year, the Garrett AT Pro I had evaluated, and the MXT Pro and MX5 I had at the time. With the little 'OOR' coil the Racer was easily the better detector for trashy environments than ANY of the Target ID/Tone ID models I had used in the past year or two as well as the models I had, and I even kept the Racer and it bumped my long-liked White's MXT Pro and year old MX5 from my arsenal.
The Racer's iron trash handling abilities, especially with the 'OOR' coil which is the one I keep mounted to it full-time, was a match for the performance I got from Tesoro's! I parted with my Bandido II µMAX, MXT Pro, M6, and Classic ID this year by the end of February because the Makro Racer worked so well and I was busy trimming many detectors from my personal detector battery. I had the Outlaw which, at the time, I figured I'd like enough to keep to compliment an 'original' Bandido, but I didn't care for the Outlaw's audio with my impaired hearing.
Then I had a new problem with the Racer, or on account of the Racer. I especially like the smaller 'OOR' coil, and I do like the Racer's visual display information and choice of search modes, and straight forward control adjustments and, as I mentioned, it took the place of my other Target ID/Tone ID models and was supported by my Tesoro's for multi-purpose hunting.
So, what was the "problem?" Well, the problem was that the Makro Racer kept things 'simple' and I like 'simple.' It was also very 'functional' and I like 'functional' just like I also enjoy having 'performance.' But it also put some 'fun' back into enjoying this great sport due to the excellent performance, balance and handling in iron plagued sites where I usually hunt, and that made me start to reminisce about all the FUN I have enjoyed Tesoro's through the past years. Then that led me to ponder even more about my long-time favorite Tesoro models, .... how simple, functional, and performance-based they were.
I set out to try and locate very clean specimens of my all-time favorite Tesoro's to rebuild my arsenal with detectors I know can handle all of the worst-case iron-challenged sites I hunt. Ghost towns, homesteads, old encampments, and the list goes on. As you can see below in my signature, my current detector battery does have a Makro Racer in the alphabetical list, and my 'original' Bandido. Also note, however, that I have completed equipping my outfit with all of my favorite Tesoro models to include them as they progressed with a Silver Sabre II, then Bandido II, and the three smaller-and-lighter micro-MAX housed units with a Silver Sabre µMAX, Bandido II µMAX and Eldorado.
Yes, I compared Tesoro models and the Racer. The Makro Racer is an excellent performing detector, especially for some of the toughest good-target masking challenges, and is one of the very few detectors anyone could have and use to compete with a good-working Tesoro for similar hunting needs. But it obviously doesn't totally out-class the long-proven Tesoro performance or I wouldn't be as enthused as I am owning and using the excellent detector arsenal that is primarily comprised of my favored Tesoro's.
Your Compadre would fit in the line-up in being able to provide the same kind of iron nail rejection and good-target response as all the models I own and tote around, but it just lacks the versatility that some people [size=small](me for example)[/size] like to have such as a true Threshold-based All Metal/Pinpoint function, Sensitivity and some other adjustments, and mainly a connector to allow search coil changeability.
Sorry to be so lengthy. I could have said yes, and it works well, but the end response is Yes, the Racer works quite well, has replaced all the other Target ID/Tone ID detectors I had, and makes a great complement to the non-display Tesoro detectors that I still hold in high regard and keep at the top of my list by which I compare all other detectors for serious performance against target masking conditions.
Monte
Thanks, Monte. And yes, in some areas I use detectors with some kind of ID=and for depth the MX5 specifically. However, l'm amazed how a simple detector like the Compadre still manages to find things with the aforementioned disc setting. And once acquainted to the audio response, some form of aid is still there. Now when I win the lottery.....
I have the 5.75 concentric and 7" widescan never did like those donut coils don't know why but I think for jewellery hunting anything over 7" is too big. and yes it is stock out of the Tesoro factory. and besides its dislike of the pro pointer its a keeper and has found gold so it stays. 
so short answer never tried the 8" so cant really say !
AJ
never did like those donut coils don't know why but I think for jewellery hunting anything over 7" is too big. and yes it is stock out of the Tesoro factory. and besides its dislike of the pro pointer its a keeper and has found gold so it stays. so short answer never tried the 8" so cant really say !
AJ
Monte, You are the master of this category of detector talk! We all love to read your input, whenever this subject of iron-masking (ie.: ghost-townsy-type hunting) comes up!
In 1980, when I was still in high school, our city tore out the downtown 3 main blocks of sidewalks. 7 or 8 guys were out there swinging their detectors, and many old coins were found. We were all smuggly swinging our "latest greatest discriminators" of that era. Ie.: 6000d series I, Garret groundhogs, Red Baron, etc... Then along comes a guy swinging a "dinasour": A Compass 77b. We all wrote him off as a rogue beginner, since, of course, we all had "newer machines" and we had "discrimination" . Imagine our surprise when this guy spanked us all 5 to 1 !! The guy tried to explain to us that his 77b "doesn't see the nails". At the time, this made absolutely no sense to me. Because, afterall, WE TOO could disc. out nails. It took me many more years to wise up to the dilema of seeing through versus merely "disc'ing out".
So whenever I read your posts, I harken back to that rude awakening And yes: The various Tesoros (Bandido, silver sabre II, etc...) can accomplish nearly the same thing as the 77b.
And I'm glad you are putting-to-rest, once-for-all, the Racer's place in this debate. You are saying here that it DOESN'T out-pace some other 2-filters when it comes to catching coins underneath nails. However, a "balanced comment" to this would be that the Racer probably has 2x the depth of the afore-mentioned Tesoro's, 77b, etc.... So it's a mixed bag of pro's and con's.
But to that I would say that the typical site that a person has to reach for one of these "tricks" (ie.: a site with too much small iron), then "balls to the walls depth" is probably not high on the list of criteria. In situations like that, the goal is to see through iron. There is no having the "best of both worlds".
Thanx for taking the time to type all that out. Great post !
In 1980, when I was still in high school, our city tore out the downtown 3 main blocks of sidewalks. 7 or 8 guys were out there swinging their detectors, and many old coins were found. We were all smuggly swinging our "latest greatest discriminators" of that era. Ie.: 6000d series I, Garret groundhogs, Red Baron, etc... Then along comes a guy swinging a "dinasour": A Compass 77b. We all wrote him off as a rogue beginner, since, of course, we all had "newer machines" and we had "discrimination" . Imagine our surprise when this guy spanked us all 5 to 1 !! The guy tried to explain to us that his 77b "doesn't see the nails". At the time, this made absolutely no sense to me. Because, afterall, WE TOO could disc. out nails. It took me many more years to wise up to the dilema of seeing through versus merely "disc'ing out".
So whenever I read your posts, I harken back to that rude awakening
And yes: The various Tesoros (Bandido, silver sabre II, etc...) can accomplish nearly the same thing as the 77b.And I'm glad you are putting-to-rest, once-for-all, the Racer's place in this debate. You are saying here that it DOESN'T out-pace some other 2-filters when it comes to catching coins underneath nails. However, a "balanced comment" to this would be that the Racer probably has 2x the depth of the afore-mentioned Tesoro's, 77b, etc.... So it's a mixed bag of pro's and con's.
But to that I would say that the typical site that a person has to reach for one of these "tricks" (ie.: a site with too much small iron), then "balls to the walls depth" is probably not high on the list of criteria. In situations like that, the goal is to see through iron. There is no having the "best of both worlds".
Thanx for taking the time to type all that out. Great post !
slingshot, good post topic. And it's great to see Monte chime in on the subject here. Quite a privilege to read his experience input on the topic!
A buddy of mine got the Racer, after reading all the fanfair. And was convinced, by the "forum buzz" that it was going to out-pace anything in iron. But as we can see from Monte's post, this is not the case. There are some 2-filters out there that will perform the trick better. Quite a revealing post.
I too had my doubts when I saw my friend's Racer in some air tests we put it through. Right off the bat, when I saw that it could effortlessly get coins to 10" to 12" deep, I had a sneaking suspicion that this "balls to the walls depth" was going to come at the cost of some iron-see-through and separation. And as Monte has pointed out, this seems to be the case.
You can't have the best of both worlds. Anything machine that is super-deep-seeking power house, tends to have more issues with masking and see-through-averaging ability. And conversely, the machines that get a coin with 2 nails over it, tend to max out at 6" depth. There's not having the "best of both worlds".
So the Racer may be a good so-so compromise, given the depth it gets. But there will be times when an older 2-filter is superior.
A buddy of mine got the Racer, after reading all the fanfair. And was convinced, by the "forum buzz" that it was going to out-pace anything in iron. But as we can see from Monte's post, this is not the case. There are some 2-filters out there that will perform the trick better. Quite a revealing post.
I too had my doubts when I saw my friend's Racer in some air tests we put it through. Right off the bat, when I saw that it could effortlessly get coins to 10" to 12" deep, I had a sneaking suspicion that this "balls to the walls depth" was going to come at the cost of some iron-see-through and separation. And as Monte has pointed out, this seems to be the case.
You can't have the best of both worlds. Anything machine that is super-deep-seeking power house, tends to have more issues with masking and see-through-averaging ability. And conversely, the machines that get a coin with 2 nails over it, tend to max out at 6" depth. There's not having the "best of both worlds".
So the Racer may be a good so-so compromise, given the depth it gets. But there will be times when an older 2-filter is superior.
Tom Slick said:..... Tom, I must have missed the part where Monte said "Perform the trick better"
Here's the quote from Monte:
Monte said:
He also said something similar in the same post, prior to this quote, to the same effect. Although, Cal Cobra has pointed out to me that a possible confusion on the issue could be in small coil versus larger coil.
Can you please chime in to clear up Monte ? : Given COMMENSURATE coil sizes of Bandido vs Racer, which one is going to have the better fighting chance to sense a coin hiding under 1, 2, or even 3 nails ?