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H.O.T. or not

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therover

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Ok, here's the situation. Going to sell off a few units and get my 12 year old a beep and dig unit. Tesoro all the way. I want to stay simple. No target ID, multi tones, notch, etc. Also, no ground balancing needed since the soil is mild and the dry sand neutral. Plus, I have a lot of other units for when he may need that and he can end up using them later in life. I don't want other features that may end up getting switched or moved that would degrade the performance if he is not near by where I can check the unit out. We will be hunting parks, ball fields, and dry sand.

He already has a Compadre, but I would like a unit with a bigger coil and the ability to swap coils for different situations.

Leaning toward the Silver uMax, but I am also liking the Cibloa with the H.O.T. technology. I had a Vaquero and a Tejon and had the small 5.75 concentric coils for them and those coils rock, hence me thinking the Cibola. Especially since it may be a better gold jewelry hunter in the dry sand. Not sure how the Silver uMax stacks up in that department with the lower frequency and no H.O.T. tech.

You know how it goes when you are on the fence....I would like some opinions to help sway me one way or the other !! HA !
 
The Cibola with a 5.75 coil is a winner. I really like my Vaquero with the 5.75 inch coil. It works great in in real trashy places and it goes really super deep.

tabman
 
The problem with switching coils on an unmodded C would be popping the cover and adjusting GB every time you changed. (unless you get lucky?)
Changing 9X8&5.75 coils on my modded C = nearly 1/2 turn on the 10 turn GB.
 
POLEWAGGER said:
The problem with switching coils on an unmodded C would be popping the cover and adjusting GB every time you changed. (unless you get lucky?)
Changing 9X8&5.75 coils on my modded C = nearly 1/2 turn on the 10 turn GB.
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Good point. Finding two coils tuned the same is rare.

tabman
 
Would swapping a coil on a unit that does not have an external ground balance feature make it that far off ?

Hmmm...seems the Silver U Max may be the better choice, cost wise, if swapping coils is gonna be that much a bugger. The 8 inch donut coil on the Silver may be optimal for what my son needs.
 
therover said:
Would swapping a coil on a unit that does not have an external ground balance feature make it that far off ?

Hmmm...seems the Silver U Max may be the better choice, cost wise, if swapping coils is gonna be that much a bugger. The 8 inch donut coil on the Silver may be optimal for what my son needs.
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I sent my Golden uMax in to Rusty to get it tuned and it came back around a couple of inches deeper. :thumbup: I wanted to purchase a CleanSweep from Rusty to go my Golden uMax, but thankfully he talked me out of getting one. Rusty explained to me that switching coils on a detector without a ground balance and not retuning the coil every time would effect performance. When I was shopping around for one, Rusty was the only one who warned me about that. The others just quoted me a price and told me how great the CleanSweep is. I'm buying from Rusty from now on.

tabman
 
This is the main reason that I always suggest a person purchase a detector with either manual ground balance or true ground auto trac if they are only going to have one detector. I find it puzzling that Tesoro didn't keep at least one
 
Another thought, I've switched coils back and forth over 4 different preset ground machines and they all worked okay. I'm not saying that I might not have lost a little depth as I didn't try any testing, but the only chattering I've gotten was from the 10X12 on my DeLeon. If a person was going to use a given coil exclusively, it probably is a good idea to get it tuned for maximum performance, but try your machine first, you may not need to send it off.
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BarberBill said:
This is the main reason that I always suggest a person purchase a detector with either manual ground balance or true ground auto trac if they are only going to have one detector. I find it puzzling that Tesoro didn't keep at least one
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I have owned two Cibolas and have liked them. I had the 5.75 coil but did not use it. For the type of detectiing I did the standard coil worked well.
 
therover,
My 2 cents:
If he is doing well with the Compadre, I'd say step up to the Cibola. Silver
 
Still leaning toward the Cibola. The weather is going to start to warm up and I have a few spots lined up. Plus, he is asking to go which is a good sign.

As far as the dating goes, it's Mom who is worried !
 
I run CZ's mostly, along with other units that have ground balance features. Even the 2 Tesoros (T and V) that I had, had manual GB, so never thought about how swapping a coil could effect them, since all I did was re-ground and ready to roll.

At the time I had my Tesoros, I was 95% beach hunting, so I ended up selling them. I kinda liked the Tejon a bit better than the Vaquero due to the 2 discrimination feature and for some reason, it seemed lighter to me. I liked how the batter box counterbalanced the detector. It was a great dry sand unit and I found some small gold along with lots n lots of foil and aluminum...DEEP, but anywhere close to the wet sand, it howled like a wolf. Since I didn't use either much at the time, I sold them but looking back, I should have kept one of them. Now I am getting back into some land hunting but the T and V would be overkill for the little guy at this point !
 
Instead of switching coils on your cibola, just use the stock coil. IT ROCKS!! And it comes tuned. For your smaller coil just use your cibola.

Thats what I do?

Mike
 
Tabman - I was referring to the
 
I meant for your smaller coil use your compadre.. ugh.. too many c words.
 
Hi,
HOT is working well with my LOBO ST what I have been using in infected or mineralized areas. It is bigger DD 10x12. Tejon cooperate better with SEF, the same size. With HOT is not calm in grass. Tejon is my choice for forest and meadow. I will buy back Vaquero this week, because I need special tool for fields, for swinging on "empty" or not preferred fields. I will running its with HOT as last time, and I am looking for the big "anthene", probably DD 15x17 from Ukraine NEL company. I need any reference before purchasing only. Their forum is unfortunately dead.... My concentric 8x9 are the best for me for hunting a military, as buttons or insignias for Vaquero or Lobo. I have not good experience with Tejon equipped with 8x9 concentric. If I can say, using HOT or not is depend on what you want find and where.
Regards
 
yes ,,or you could fit a 10 turn g.b. yourself,,its not difficult and will work everywhere,,,check out svens,,puddlepirate site for the proceedure,,its easy to follow,,,,rgds :ukflag:
 
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