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Ground/Phase Mapping the Fisher F70 & Minelab X-Terra X70

BarnacleBill

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In my junk box I have the fortune to have a couple of spare pieces of Ferrite that I use in various designs. Ferrite has been used to adjust/test metal detectors during manufacture. I have some that will balance a detector at two distinct ground balance numbers with a good span, one is colored Blue & the other Black.

Being able to present various detectors with two known reference points, allows exploring how their ground balance systems relate to one another without having to worry about the variability of real soil comparisons.

Below is a table comparing the GB points using these Ferrites with the Fisher F70 using the stock concentric coil, and the Minelab X-Terra X70 using the stock concentric coil. The testing was done outdoors at 50% sensitivity with the coils 90 deg to and 3 ft above the ground, and the Ferrite bobbed during the Ground Balance procedure for each detector. It should be obvious that the detectors numerically adjust in different directions for positive & negative. i.e. 10 on the X70 is about 90 on the F70 and vice versa.

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As can be seen with the F70 having an adjustment range of 0 to 99 and the X70 0 to 90 makes mapping them quite easy. Overall just a ~10% variance. In the table the span(Difference Column) between the two Ferrite balance points 33 & 34, is nearly identical. And there has been some discussion in the past about the X70 running out of GB range tending towards 0(zero). The bottom row of the table shows that the F70 would also likely run out of range as there is only one number difference.

Below I have included a portion of the F70 manual which discusses ground types. It shows that the two Ferrites Blue & Black provide valid GB points that are likely to be found in real soils. As the exact same wording is found in the Fisher F75 manual, there is a strong possibility that the an F75 fitted with the 10 inch concentric coil would map in a very close fashion.

DIRT
The DIRT bar graph on the LCD display indicates the amount of magnetic mineralization. The
searchcoil must be in motion to measure mineralization. The most accurate measurement is
obtained by pumping the searchcoil, as in the Ground Balancing procedure.
The two-digit GROUND PHASE number displayed on the LCD indicates the type of ground
mineralization.
Some typical ground mineralization types are:
0
 
First of all I appreciate you taking the time to do the comparos that you do. On the GB issue, how does one factor in the fact that the F-75 has 5 divisions of each number whereas the XT has only one per number? In other words and for example, the F-75 actually has 50 adjustment points in that last 10 numbers of GB range whereas the XT only would have the 10 adjustment points. So, is this just a difference where the 75 actually has more adjustment range or just more exacting adjustment resolution?
 
Since I don't have an F75 the only information available to me is the manual. And as the same text is used for the F70 & F75 i.e. "75
 
Bill,

You just reminded me of the GB buttons on the Goldmaster 4B. Hold em down a tad too long and it would take off like a rocket. I thnk it had like 4000 points of resolution and if your GB was way off you had to hold the button down a few seconds and then release before it went into hyper drive then repeat the push release procedure as many times as it took until you got close. All this while trying to pump the coil properly. It was so easy to overshoot the proper setting it was very frustrating even with lots of experience. :lol:

White's should have added a "best score" mode to the screen so you can log your fastest successful GB procedure! :rofl:

Tom
 
Speaking of GB resolution, it's interesting to note that the F5 has both a manual and auto GB with a resolution of 9,999 GB points (if done manually). Pretty amazing, although I'm not sure how useful it is.

Here's an interesting observation using the F70 and the F5 in the identical hunting locations using their almost identical stock coils. I find that using the F70 in this specific location I have to keep the sens/gain under 45, and the threshold from 0 to -9, else the F70 sounds like R2D2. At the same location I can run the F5 with the sens/gain almost maxed out (90-99) as well as the threshold maxed out (9) and it runs smooth as can be. Odd :shrug:

I'm not really sure what to make of this observation. Could the lower frequency of the F5 handle this particular soil better then the F70 ? Is the F5 more immune to possible EMI better then the F70 ?

Brian
 
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