Thanks for input I am getting on threasholds and sensitivity levels. I took it out and indeed it seemed slightly chatty in discriminatioin mode, kind of like when I use my F4 in all metal discrimination mode. I will try all your suggestions. I was totally happy with the F4, and got the F70 mainly for the depth, so I get leary when I hear cut the sensitivity, etc. But first re Ground Balancing, you know on the F4 and other machines, you do the pump thing and tweak the knob to get it right depending on the sounds you are hearing. On the f70 it has the Ground Grab. OK hold the Ground Grab and pump- then what? I think the manual is laxed here. I mean do you pump it for 30 seconds or until it goes "Ding" or what. It says you'll get two numbers, hopefully above 40. But meanwhile, do I just stand there and pump it up and down. How long do you do this? I guess it is sampling and then takes care of you later while you're detecting. How do I know when it is ground balanced. It doesnt really tell you that in the manual. Many of the other things sound logical like threasholds, sensitivity, frequency, notching, etc. I think time is what I need, although I do think I will like the options of playing with these adjustments and gauging their affect on performance, etc. I cant really use it till after this weekend now, although I am taking it on my trip this weekend to see if I can sneak off in the evening and get some more introductory time. I think instead of the woods I will go to a park where you know you can see foil laying there, soda tops, lots of pennies etc and judge and learn the machine as you go along. Then a month or two down the road take it to my more serious spots in the woods, etc.