Ground Balancing my Compadre - HELP!

[mike5853]

So I took my Compadre out and attempted to ground balance it using Montes directions. OK, so what am I doing wrong? I never get a beep, and man is it tough to make an adjustment and then bob the coil, then another small adjustment, bob to coil again, I can't see how you can make adjustments while bobbing the coil so. . . what am I doing wrong???

 

[slingshot]

So I took my Compadre out and attempted to ground balance it using Montes directions. OK, so what am I doing wrong? I never get a beep, and man is it tough to make an adjustment and then bob the coil, then another small adjustment, bob to coil again, I can't see how you can make adjustments while bobbing the coil so. . . what am I doing wrong???

Hopefully, it's the right trimmer, the one at the top of the circuit board. CCW is more positive and CW is negative. Your ground may be very mild and you will then have to raise the dicrimination to get a beep-say right past iron. Monte has even gone to blacktop to do it. Or try to find an area you know is pretty rough. Not an expert, but that's what I found out with mine. I ended up with mine too negative and found a large pebble in a tot lot and had to reset it until it quit beeping. I now keep it in a drawer in case I happen to get another Tesoro as it smoothed it out just perfect.

 

[mike5853]

So I took my Compadre out and attempted to ground balance it using Montes directions. OK, so what am I doing wrong? I never get a beep, and man is it tough to make an adjustment and then bob the coil, then another small adjustment, bob to coil again, I can't see how you can make adjustments while bobbing the coil so. . . what am I doing wrong???

Hopefully, it's the right trimmer, the one at the top of the circuit board. CCW is more positive and CW is negative. Your ground may be very mild and you will then have to raise the dicrimination to get a beep-say right past iron. Monte has even gone to blacktop to do it. Or try to find an area you know is pretty rough. Not an expert, but that's what I found out with mine. I ended up with mine too negative and found a large pebble in a tot lot and had to reset it until it quit beeping. I now keep it in a drawer in case I happen to get another Tesoro as it smoothed it out just perfect.

I have the right trimmer. Top is Sense, bottom left is GB and bottom right is Disc. The soil in my part of NJ is mild I guess. But I can try raising the disc. So if I do raise the disc, do I lower back to where it was after making the GB adustment?

 

[slingshot]

So I took my Compadre out and attempted to ground balance it using Montes directions. OK, so what am I doing wrong? I never get a beep, and man is it tough to make an adjustment and then bob the coil, then another small adjustment, bob to coil again, I can't see how you can make adjustments while bobbing the coil so. . . what am I doing wrong???

Hopefully, it's the right trimmer, the one at the top of the circuit board. CCW is more positive and CW is negative. Your ground may be very mild and you will then have to raise the dicrimination to get a beep-say right past iron. Monte has even gone to blacktop to do it. Or try to find an area you know is pretty rough. Not an expert, but that's what I found out with mine. I ended up with mine too negative and found a large pebble in a tot lot and had to reset it until it quit beeping. I now keep it in a drawer in case I happen to get another Tesoro as it smoothed it out just perfect.

I have the right trimmer. Top is Sense, bottom left is GB and bottom right is Disc. The soil in my part of NJ is mild I guess. But I can try raising the disc. So if I do raise the disc, do I lower back to where it was after making the GB adustment?

OMIGOSH! I just reread my post and glad SOMEONE knows where the right trimmer is. TERRIBLY sorry for that miscue. I think I've given the wrong impression on the discriminate also. Just use the DISCRIMINATE/ON-OFF/BATTERY CHECK dial used when you turn on the detector to turn up the disc. Don't worry about the trimmer. Remember how Monte power balanced with min. disc.? That's what I meant. Once again, my bad. Sounds like factory preset is perfect for your area.

 

[Hombre]

Mike 5853,

I hope you made a mark on the adjusting pots that you messed with, that's way you can return to factory settings. This saying come to mind "If it ain't broke, don't 'fix' it".

 

[Monte]

How true! I have bought a used Compadre or encountered a number of them others have had that didn't work well.. factory glitch? Perhaps, now and then, but in most cases they were 'tinkered with' by people who had no clue which trimmer to adjust or how to adjust it.

Monte

 

[slingshot]

How true! I have bought a used Compadre or encountered a number of them others have had that didn't work well.. factory glitch? Perhaps, now and then, but in most cases they were 'tinkered with' by people who had no clue which trimmer to adjust or how to adjust it.

Monte

See what happens when you don't show yourself for so long. The rest of us screw up everything.

 

[mike5853]

Mike 5853,

I hope you made a mark on the adjusting pots that you messed with, that's way you can return to factory settings. This saying come to mind "If it ain't broke, don't 'fix' it".

Thanks. I did make a note on the setting and its back to the factory setting. What I did notice was I lost a little depth when I turned it positive, not sure why.

 

[tvr]

Good to see Monte on the Tesoro forum!

The thought I had, besides the mild ground not giving as much of a reaction, is increase the sensitivity and then try ground balance. As you have already done, note original position.

I've set the sensitivity up on the Compadre I have and it is deeper. It also can not get quite as close to equipment posts in the tot lots as it did before increasing the sensitivity and it gets just a little bit chatty when near some interference where it used to be a very silent hunter. It still discriminates out iron very cleanly. Fun little detector.
Cheers,
tvr

 

[slingshot]

Mike 5853,

I hope you made a mark on the adjusting pots that you messed with, that's way you can return to factory settings. This saying come to mind "If it ain't broke, don't 'fix' it".

Thanks. I did make a note on the setting and its back to the factory setting. What I did notice was I lost a little depth when I turned it positive, not sure why.

Yeah, according to Monte's posts some detectors too positive would not pick up a QUARTER at full disc. It's really a treat to go to "search", type in "power ground balance" in the Tesoro forum with "monte" as author, and "all posts". You may have to read some of them slowly to digest the info. l'm thankful he takes the time to help.

 

[johnnywayne]

Actually, the Ground Blance tweak was posted long ago by a person who had took off the cover and taken a picture of the board showing and explaining what each turn left or right did and how to run the detector hot and also had some other pictures of mods he had done to his compadre wayyyyyyy before Monte but who's keeping track, right.

I might be wrong but guy might still have a video on youtube where he walks you through it, well he use too atleast few years back.

 

[Monte]

I did make a note on the setting and its back to the factory setting. What I did notice was I lost a little depth when I turned it positive, not sure why.

Mike5853, it's good you put them back where they were, and let's hope they were a good factory setting and hadn't been tinkered with before you got it. Usually, not always, I have found the Compadre's factory presets to work fine.

Every manufacturer has their own way of designing their models and with most of the Tesoro's, not all but way too many, you will find that if the Ground Balance is set too positive you will lose some depth ... AND .. you will also lose higher-conductive silver coins! Peak performance in the motion Disc, mode (silent search) with most Tesoro models can be achieved if you "Power Balance" them (Ground Balance) in the Disc. mode. You want that Power balance setting to be just barely enough to cancel the falsing on the up-lift of the search coil. That would be slightly positive in the Disc. mode.

Most Tesoro's have been designed with the Disc. mode's GB reference already somewhat positive from the manual GB of the All Metal mode. Why? So that there won't be any falsing once it is GB'ed. The problem, however, is that it is often TOO positive, and if the operator balances the All Metal mode a little positive, the Disc. mode's GB reference will be way too positive.

Therefore, there is an aggressive shift in the acceptance of targets when you refer to the sine wave and it will encroach on the upper-end, higher-conductive coins (silver $1, silver and clad 50

 

[Monte]

I wasn't feeling well and napped away in the recliner. Woke up, sort of proof-read it and posted before checking for any other post.

Monte

 

[Monte]

It might have been JB or ????, and all I might have done was add a comment or two. One thing I do know is that if a hobbyists was really a more savvy detectorist and had a good understanding on detector set-ups and performance, they would likely own a manually Ground Balanced model already, such as a Bandido or Pantera or Inca or Eldorado .... Yes, an avid and experienced detectorists who knows this stuff might also decide to own a Compadre (or other factory preset model), and that's fine. They might know how to set things up.

Unfortunately, I have encountered too many people who don't really know what Ground Balance really is or how to effectively set a manual GB mode, so they by a simpler turn-on-and-go unit. Then, thinking that they can make it work better, they open it up and the tinkering begins. All too often the results are less than impressive.

I have purchased clean, as-new Compadres, Silver

 

[Elton]

Who cares to listen on how to advice.

He has, over and over, again, and again, posted Solid know how advice.

He has never taken credit for anothers posts ............. He has always tried to educate us, and share his vast knowledge.

Thank you Monte........

 

[slingshot]

Who cares to listen on how to advice.

He has, over and over, again, and again, posted Solid know how advice.

He has never taken credit for anothers posts ............. He has always tried to educate us, and share his vast knowledge.

Thank you Monte........

 

[mike5853]

I did make a note on the setting and its back to the factory setting. What I did notice was I lost a little depth when I turned it positive, not sure why.

Mike5853, it's good you put them back where they were, and let's hope they were a good factory setting and hadn't been tinkered with before you got it. Usually, not always, I have found the Compadre's factory presets to work fine.

Every manufacturer has their own way of designing their models and with most of the Tesoro's, not all but way too many, you will find that if the Ground Balance is set too positive you will lose some depth ... AND .. you will also lose higher-conductive silver coins! Peak performance in the motion Disc, mode (silent search) with most Tesoro models can be achieved if you "Power Balance" them (Ground Balance) in the Disc. mode. You want that Power balance setting to be just barely enough to cancel the falsing on the up-lift of the search coil. That would be slightly positive in the Disc. mode.

Most Tesoro's have been designed with the Disc. mode's GB reference already somewhat positive from the manual GB of the All Metal mode. Why? So that there won't be any falsing once it is GB'ed. The problem, however, is that it is often TOO positive, and if the operator balances the All Metal mode a little positive, the Disc. mode's GB reference will be way too positive.

Therefore, there is an aggressive shift in the acceptance of targets when you refer to the sine wave and it will encroach on the upper-end, higher-conductive coins (silver $1, silver and clad 50

 

[mike5853]

I did make a note on the setting and its back to the factory setting. What I did notice was I lost a little depth when I turned it positive, not sure why.

Mike5853, it's good you put them back where they were, and let's hope they were a good factory setting and hadn't been tinkered with before you got it. Usually, not always, I have found the Compadre's factory presets to work fine.

Every manufacturer has their own way of designing their models and with most of the Tesoro's, not all but way too many, you will find that if the Ground Balance is set too positive you will lose some depth ... AND .. you will also lose higher-conductive silver coins! Peak performance in the motion Disc, mode (silent search) with most Tesoro models can be achieved if you "Power Balance" them (Ground Balance) in the Disc. mode. You want that Power balance setting to be just barely enough to cancel the falsing on the up-lift of the search coil. That would be slightly positive in the Disc. mode.

Most Tesoro's have been designed with the Disc. mode's GB reference already somewhat positive from the manual GB of the All Metal mode. Why? So that there won't be any falsing once it is GB'ed. The problem, however, is that it is often TOO positive, and if the operator balances the All Metal mode a little positive, the Disc. mode's GB reference will be way too positive.

Therefore, there is an aggressive shift in the acceptance of targets when you refer to the sine wave and it will encroach on the upper-end, higher-conductive coins (silver $1, silver and clad 50

 

[mudfoot]

I'm curious about that too. My Vaq does the double-beep thing when I'm trying to power balance.

 

[slingshot]

I'm curious about that too. My Vaq does the double-beep thing when I'm trying to power balance.

Set too positive. Quiet is the objective-noise on the uplift or downstroke merely lets you know which side-negative or positive-of the right setting you're on.