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Government Land
- Thread starter dakotaman
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silvernail
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Are you referring to Lake Sakakawea, Army Corps of Engineers jurisdiction?
Thats what I am referring too.Called the guy at Riverdale,flat told me it was against the law to do any detecting along the Lake.Didn't sound like he could be persuaded if you know what I mean.I wanted to check for sure if it was legal,sure would hate to have my detector confiscated.
Charlie
Charlie
Uncle Willy
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Yeah the government is a stinker about things like this. They like to show their authority. They forget who owns that land - you and me and every other citizen but these dorks act as if they own it.
Bill
Bill
silvernail
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Your informant may be so overloaded with his official duties and serving (?) the public that he doesn
Uncle Willy
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Yeah if it's posted it's a no go. These boys will take your detector and anything else they wish.
Bill
Bill
silvernail
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Sounds like you are probably right. So is Uncle Willy, and so was whoever (Mark Twain ?) said 'If you want to judge a man's character, give him a little power.' Sorry. Officious and brusque public employees and prohibitionists of all stripes annoy me. In fairness it ought to be said that we employ these people to take care of properties and values in the broad public interest. They generally try to do that, right after they take care of the job security problem and issues related to the boss's job security, and so on. I'm afraid it is true they are constantly besieged with demands from one special interest or another, and shorted on budget needs, so eventually grow callouses. They also see too many night poachers, historic site pillagers, marijuana growers, meth labbers and other criminal types. In truth, I doubt you will be missing out on a hell of a lot and I see other NoDaks with interesting finds on the various forums. ND has lots of interesting places to prospect. HH
Laws are laws, and are meant to be obeyed. If ya don't like one, then go the route to get it changed.
It is not worth losing your detecting assets over this matter. Don't sneak in... don't detect.... resist the urge!
Just as a private property owner can tell you "NO", so can the government.... THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!
We enjoy many freedoms in this great country. For that we should be grateful. I don't necessarily agree that certain places are "off limits", but those are the rules we are bound by. Break the rules, pay the price...
Just my two cents worth.......
It is not worth losing your detecting assets over this matter. Don't sneak in... don't detect.... resist the urge!
Just as a private property owner can tell you "NO", so can the government.... THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!
We enjoy many freedoms in this great country. For that we should be grateful. I don't necessarily agree that certain places are "off limits", but those are the rules we are bound by. Break the rules, pay the price...
Just my two cents worth.......
[quote silvernail]Sounds like you are probably right. So is Uncle Willy, and so was whoever (Mark Twain ?) said 'If you want to judge a man's character, give him a little power.' Sorry. Officious and brusque public employees and prohibitionists of all stripes annoy me. In fairness it ought to be said that we employ these people to take care of properties and values in the broad public interest. They generally try to do that, right after they take care of the job security problem and issues related to the boss's job security, and so on. I'm afraid it is true they are constantly besieged with demands from one special interest or another, and shorted on budget needs, so eventually grow callouses. They also see too many night poachers, historic site pillagers, marijuana growers, meth labbers and other criminal types. In truth, I doubt you will be missing out on a hell of a lot and I see other NoDaks with interesting finds on the various forums. ND has lots of interesting places to prospect. HH[/quote]
As a Law Enforcement Officer, you hit some key points right on the head. One bad apple does not spoil the bunch! I am fortunate that where I live/work, our County and City Governments have no problems with detecting on their property (a couple of parks require permits, but its no more than a trip to the city office, show an id, and sign the paper). Yep... we have a lot of issues we deal with on our jobs. Traffic control, misdemeanor crime, felony crimes... and the all to often doldrums of "barking dogs complaints" and "disabled vehicles" calls. Fourteen years on the job and I still love it, but I will tell you after spending 2 or 3 consecutive nights chasing down suspects with warrants who want to run from you, then fight you... a high speed pursuit of a stolen vehicle... a domestic violence gun run with kids in the house.... this stuff can kinda wear on ya and you might be looking for an easy shift your next day back. So yes, maybe some of these guys have had a rough week or so, maybe some of them enjoy what they perceive to be the "power of the badge". I don't abuse the position I swore to uphold and that the public entrusts me with. Yup... I have alot of enemies out there that wouldn't think a second about doing something to me, my property, or my God forbid even my family. But I've made a lot of friends along the way. Treat me with respect, you get respect back... disrespect me and the badge I wear with the privilege granted me by my community to uphold the law and we're going to have issues.
So to sum it up... yep... some can be brusque or power hungry. I just wanted to reiterate your point that we all are not like that!
As a Law Enforcement Officer, you hit some key points right on the head. One bad apple does not spoil the bunch! I am fortunate that where I live/work, our County and City Governments have no problems with detecting on their property (a couple of parks require permits, but its no more than a trip to the city office, show an id, and sign the paper). Yep... we have a lot of issues we deal with on our jobs. Traffic control, misdemeanor crime, felony crimes... and the all to often doldrums of "barking dogs complaints" and "disabled vehicles" calls. Fourteen years on the job and I still love it, but I will tell you after spending 2 or 3 consecutive nights chasing down suspects with warrants who want to run from you, then fight you... a high speed pursuit of a stolen vehicle... a domestic violence gun run with kids in the house.... this stuff can kinda wear on ya and you might be looking for an easy shift your next day back. So yes, maybe some of these guys have had a rough week or so, maybe some of them enjoy what they perceive to be the "power of the badge". I don't abuse the position I swore to uphold and that the public entrusts me with. Yup... I have alot of enemies out there that wouldn't think a second about doing something to me, my property, or my God forbid even my family. But I've made a lot of friends along the way. Treat me with respect, you get respect back... disrespect me and the badge I wear with the privilege granted me by my community to uphold the law and we're going to have issues.
So to sum it up... yep... some can be brusque or power hungry. I just wanted to reiterate your point that we all are not like that!
[quote Uncle Willy]Yeah the government is a stinker about things like this. They like to show their authority. They forget who owns that land - you and me and every other citizen but these dorks act as if they own it.
Bill[/quote]
Easy, Bill.... in one sense you are absolutely correct. We all do indeed pay taxes and a part of those taxes is indeed used to maintain these lands. The statement "a government for and by the people" does not grant any one of us tax paying citizens the right to do as we want. Somewhere along the way, somebody (politician or citizen) decided it would be good idea to prohibit detecting at the place in question. When the law was passed or ordinance ratified, it then became illegal to do such. You can approach your politician to change the laws... happens all the time, but it is not always (perhaps even seldom) successful.
Dorks... maybe. But somehow they got elected and that's the way it goes. You can change that though. Support other politicians. Approach the mayor. Write your congressman or senator.
But if you still think you "own" that government land, go build yourself a house on it (since it is yours) and see what happens. I'm sure you wouldn't get very far...
Your protest is certainly heard, though... I would LOVE to have more access to these kind of places just like the rest of us. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about how we feel about it.
Bill[/quote]
Easy, Bill.... in one sense you are absolutely correct. We all do indeed pay taxes and a part of those taxes is indeed used to maintain these lands. The statement "a government for and by the people" does not grant any one of us tax paying citizens the right to do as we want. Somewhere along the way, somebody (politician or citizen) decided it would be good idea to prohibit detecting at the place in question. When the law was passed or ordinance ratified, it then became illegal to do such. You can approach your politician to change the laws... happens all the time, but it is not always (perhaps even seldom) successful.
Dorks... maybe. But somehow they got elected and that's the way it goes. You can change that though. Support other politicians. Approach the mayor. Write your congressman or senator.
But if you still think you "own" that government land, go build yourself a house on it (since it is yours) and see what happens. I'm sure you wouldn't get very far...
Your protest is certainly heard, though... I would LOVE to have more access to these kind of places just like the rest of us. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about how we feel about it.
Uncle Willy
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That is a given bud.
Bill
Bill
Uncle Willy
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I don't expect to be able to build a house on it unless it's claimed but the American citizens still own the land. The people we hire to manage these lands are our employees.
Some years ago the Forest Service was trying to take over all the forests and virtually exlude all citizens from their own land. I was asked by a couple of the detector manufacturers to join in the battle to defeat this nonsense They had idiot regulations set up so that if you picked up a stick or a piece of gravel and took it with you you were subject to arrest and confiscation of your vehicle and whatever. Another law was against rutting of forest property. I told a couple of Senators that if you were driving on a logging road in the rain you would be guilty of rutting. One Senator took my letter with him to a meeting with the head of the Forest Service. This new policy of theirs was loaded with idiocy.
We were successful in defeating this ludicrousy or today you would be virtually banned from your own forests. If you don't keep them in check they will steam roll right over you.
Bill
Some years ago the Forest Service was trying to take over all the forests and virtually exlude all citizens from their own land. I was asked by a couple of the detector manufacturers to join in the battle to defeat this nonsense They had idiot regulations set up so that if you picked up a stick or a piece of gravel and took it with you you were subject to arrest and confiscation of your vehicle and whatever. Another law was against rutting of forest property. I told a couple of Senators that if you were driving on a logging road in the rain you would be guilty of rutting. One Senator took my letter with him to a meeting with the head of the Forest Service. This new policy of theirs was loaded with idiocy.
We were successful in defeating this ludicrousy or today you would be virtually banned from your own forests. If you don't keep them in check they will steam roll right over you.
Bill
Uncle Willy
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I would think so.
Bill
Bill