Got a Classic ID today - New 2 Me Detector :clapping:

[dahut]

Yep, I've swung around on the wind a little these days and moved back into the White's camp. I've been mucking around with other models and makers over the last few years, eschewing anything in the Whites line.
Well, there was that brief stint with an Eagle II SL last winter, but that hardly counts....

Anyway, all this recent talk of Classic ID's and Mr Bill mods and Monte's bestowing of knowledge got me a yearnin' once more.

Then, too, my detecting chum, Hal, had gotten his hands on a Classic ID a few weeks back. It wasn't a Mr. Bill modded instrument, but Hal was totin' it during the "Lucky Dykes Token Turnout," where we found all those Augusta, GA tokens. Some of you may recall that exciting episode.
Well, I got a chance to borrow his little Classic ID during that melee of flying dirt and tokens, and was again reminded what I like about White's detectors.

So, when the chance came up to snag an ultra clean Mr Bill C-ID at a fair price, I took it. I'll post some pics later on today of this very nice instrument. Meanwhile, be thinking of what YOU like about these babies, and any tips you have to pass along on the use of the Classic ID.

 

[Hombre]

Howdy Dave

You are going to luv this detector, I run a 5.3 bullseye coil on mine, with good depth on my unit. I found one for a buddy of mine, same as yours but without the Mr. Bills mod. I checked the ground balance on his and it was G/Bed right. The only thing that is lackluster on this series is the auto-tune all metal or pinpoint mode, it just fades away too quickly for me, but that is ok, because it will pinpoint just fine in Disc. mode with a slow sweep. The meter is a little jumpy at times, like on nickles, it will ghost flash between foil and nickle, the last time out with mine, it did that and I found a V nickle. Zinc penny on the meter is an interesting zone as you can find anything from zincolns, indian head pennies to some really neat relics, and trash. The meter is just a helpful reminder, and should not allways be counted upon. Just a few thoughts..............Hombre

 

[dahut]

Howdy Dave

You are going to luv this detector, I run a 5.3 bullseye coil on mine, with good depth on my unit. I found one for a buddy of mine, same as yours but without the Mr. Bills mod. I checked the ground balance on his and it was G/Bed right. The only thing that is lackluster on this series is the auto-tune all metal or pinpoint mode, it just fades away too quickly for me, but that is ok, because it will pinpoint just fine in Disc. mode with a slow sweep. The meter is a little jumpy at times, like on nickles, it will ghost flash between foil and nickle, the last time out with mine, it did that and I found a V nickle. Zinc penny on the meter is an interesting zone as you can find anything from zincolns, indian head pennies to some really neat relics, and trash. The meter is just a helpful reminder, and should not allways be counted upon. Just a few thoughts..............Hombre

Thanks, Hombre!

You handily summarized what I know about the series, so far. I have used Classics before, on and off, and my second detector ever was one of the earlier Classic III's. I added a manual ground balance and threshold control of my own to that one, before I knew about the "Mr. Bill mods." That one detector single-handedly earned a place in my reckoning and has sweetened me on it's tribe ever since.

This will be the first Classic with display that I have had, however. Generally, I prefer some sort of tone ID, but I believe I can get on with the display. It is said that the display is quite accurate, once you know it's quirks. Do you agree?
I've also heard that the detector will react to targets, cleanly, at greater depths than the display can report. Is this true?
If so, it reminds of a "best of both worlds" situation: Good target ID/audio at shallower depths, but good audio response (backed up by some measure of TID) on deeper targets.

I also need to get a handle on the "power balancing" aspects of the instrument, as they exist for the Classic. I have Monte B's instructions for that practice, I just need to get them "programmed" into my brain. My other question is geared toward what many people call "Super Tuning." This is seen often in Tesoro circles and it appears from my initital check-out of this unit that the Classic ID offers it - at least in a rudimentary fashion. Do you find this to be the case?

 

[Hombre]

Hi David

Yeah it's true about the mono-tone response, kinda like a Bandido, But they are completely different machines. I don't mess with the G/B on mine ( IDX Pro W/Mr. Bill's mods) other than to establish a slightly positive G/B with the coil I am using at the time. I have noticed with mine G/B should be a little on the positive side to ID correctly, just as long as it will ID quarters and dimes good that is all that is needed. As far as power balancing goes, I have not done that to mine, and I get good performance with it. It is a deep machine and highly underated. I run my Disc set at about 9 o'clock, just knocking out surface nails. Then I run the Sens. full throttle most of the time untill it starts to chatter, then I back it off some.

You could run a search on the IDX Pro (same machine) all dates, and should come up with lots of pages of info.Maybe Monte will expound on this subject.

 

[Hombre]

Hi David

I just did a search on IDX Pro and got nothing..............Then did a search on Classic ID and came up with 5 pages of info, that should keep ya busy!

 

[RWJR13]

Those Classics with Mr. Bill Mods make them even better.

 

[Monte]

David, might I suggest just a couple of things:

1.. Set a "proper' slight-audio Threshold and forget about Super-Tuning or Hyper-Tuning as I have called it,. That really only works, sometimes, on Tesoro's and a few other models. You don't need it or want it, and it's basically insignificant with the Classic series.

2.. Adjust the Ground Balance to be very slightly positive with the Classic models. Power balancing can be helpful with a Tesoro and some other models that have a positive offset of the GB in the silent Discriminate mode, but the excellent Classic series have a GB references for the Disc. mode such that a slightly positive GB will usually be just right for peak performance in motion Discriminate operation.

If you adjust a slightly positive GB in the All Metal/Pinpoint mode, you can check it for a functional setting in the Disc. mode as follows:

With a Classic ID turn the Discriminate level to minimum and bob the coil towards-and-away from the ground in the Disc. mode. If it remains silent on the up-lift away from the ground, you're good to go. If there is a beep as the coil is lifted away from the ground you will need to increase the GB just a little tiny bit.

As Hombre stated, once you set the Threshold and Ground Balance you will seldom have to tweak it unless you change search coils. Mr. Bill's mods let you tune for the coil i use and conditions, and seldom is there a need to change it. Unless you change coils or the site conditions change radically.

Monte

 

[dahut]

David, might I suggest just a couple of things:
1.. Set a "proper' slight-audio Threshold and forget about Super-Tuning or Hyper-Tuning as I have called it,. That really only works, sometimes, on Tesoro's and a few other models. You don't need it or want it, and it's basically insignificant with the Classic series.

Thanks, Monte.
I have tried it both ways, "supertuned," and not. You know what they say, "Twice a philospher, Three times a pervert."
I only noted a slight difference in performance with it in the 'hyper state'.
It is one of those things that is fun to try, but seems worth only a small benefit (if at all). Especially when you consider that you lose a functional threshold for all metal searching if you wind it out.
I still tinker with it, mostly because I can - I just like it.
I would even recommend doing it, but mostly to give the user something to piddle with and feel good about doing.
It seems harmless enough, in that way. And as my old music teacher would say, "Hey, try it. This is jazz - it couldn't hoit!"