Goodbye Outlaw, Hello ???

[mojotrout]

Well, I just sent my Outlaw off in exchange (partial) for an X-Terra 705. However, I kept the 10x12 and 5.75 coils for my tried and true Silver uMax. Those will be going in to Tesoro to tune them to the Silver.

I liked the Outlaw - the sounds, the weight, reasonable depth, but I just didnt get much better performance - depth or separation - than my Silver in my mild ground. I also had some confidence issues in terms of whether i was using the re-tune button correctly, if it was staying in tune, if the disc was working as intended, etc. Maybe just a little too complicated for me. so Im going to see how the Minelab performs(and how I perform with it) in that particular price-point.

Now, the most important question now is-- what is my next Tesoro? After all, X-Mas is just around the corner! I would like to try one of the H.O.T. detectors, and one that would potentially compliment the X-terra and the Silver. I would like GB ad maybe a no-motion AM mode option. I dont do any water hunting here in cold and landlocked Idaho so the Sharks are not an option.

What I would really like to try is a Cibola with the GB mod, but Im not smart enough to do the mod myself and I dont see them for sale very often.

Since Im only interested in another Tesoro at this point, what do you folks think would be a good addition to the Silver and the X-Terra?

 

[Idxpro]

Why not give the Tesoro Undertaker a shot? It's Sweet! All Black, skull ghost flames, TID, pistol grip toggle all metal/pinpoint, gb in all metal and disc mode, adjustable S.A.T., Lightweight, volume control. Or you could go for the Reaper? Same as above only ground tracking with trac lock. Both sweet machines. Hhaha..

 

[REVIER]

If you don't want to buy a Cibola and do the ground balance mod why don't you think about getting...oh I don't know....the VAQUERO!
Major depth with all coils including the snipers, hunt in disc or in all metal with the threshold, manual GB and razor sharp pinpointing whether you just cross the target or use the pinpoint button.
I am a bit prejudiced in this recommendation because I just love mine and if you tried to take it away from me I would have to hurt you.

 

[kaolinwasher]

I think the VAQ may be worth a good try its rumored to be deep, and has nice coal selection. I may sell my outlaw to I want to get a Mirage P,I, and would need the money I am not disapointed in the outlaw, kinda hard for me to let it go . my second choce for you would be the Lobo, now this comes from a guy who has only tried the copmadre, silver umax, Golden Umax,Cibola, & the outlaw, I liked the cibola its a great detector but the reason I got rid of it was it gave me problems whitout a ground balance otherwise the thing is hot and i have never tried the VAQ but would love to someday I love the sound of the Vaq,s threshold really like that Hope you find what you are looking for Gunnar

 

[mojotrout]

hmmm... two suggestions for the Vaq. I was once under the impression that the Cibola was a Vaq w/o the GB, but a few folks said there were other differences in the electronics. More than one person has said a modified Cibola is actually a deeper machine than the Vaq.

Gunnar, Im thinking the X-Terra will do what the Lobo does in terms of nugget shooting, otherwise I'd check them out. Ive heard nothing but great things about that machine.

Hey REVIER, do you have issues with iron pretending to be silver with your Vaquero? That is one complaint Ive read about the Vaq. Although it might be a good trade-off if its getting the depths I have read about. Im also thinking that I'd use it for a relic machine anyway so the iron "issue" some are having might not be a big deal.

There's also a bunch of Vaqs on the used market right now so I might be able to get a good deal. A guy had one on the local Craigslist for 250.00 OBO! I called him too late though...bummer.

So anyone want to suggest the Tejon over the Vaq? Or maybe I should just wait until they release the new Reaper like IDXpro suggest!

 

[dan b]

So anyone want to suggest the Tejon over the Vaq?

I've had a lot of success with the Tejon. The Vaquero is an awesome general purpose machine. It's awesome at coin hunting, and also serves as a relic machine if need be. The Tejon is like a Vaquero on steroids. It's substantially deeper (according to my airtests anyway), and the trigger actuated dual disc is handy. Set up correctly, it's pretty hard to beat. I'll attach a couple of my airtest photos just to show the difference that I got.

Dan

 

[mojotrout]

wow Dan, that is quite a difference! How does the Tejon do in trashy sites?

 

[kaolinwasher]

Now dont get me Intrested in the Tehon, thats thing is deep , plus it a a tone adjust ment

 

[kansa54]

Dan, my Vaquero seems to do a little better when super tuned than what your results show.
Also, I bought mine for relic hunting and the light weight. So far, it's done really well. I've heard people on this forum say it's not good for silver, but I have found several silver coins with mine and a couple of gold rings and I use it mainly for relic hunting. No complaints with mine.

 

[Sven]

I had a Xterra 70, gave it a good chance until I found it has masking problems.
You need to just get a Tejon (Gunnar is listening...LOL) and know you probably have the deepest
machine of the Tesoros. Learn how to use it while your waiting for the next new when ever Tesoro.

 

[dan b]

It did go deeper super tuned but I was attempting to compare apples to apples. I also compared with disc set at tabs on both. The Tejon did lose more depth than the Vaquero. Interestingly, the Compadre lost no depth and was consistently in the 6" range whether at all metal of disc'ing at tabs.

In trashy areas you have the advantage of the quick check between disc 1 and disc 2. Use those wisely, learn the machine, and use the 5.75 concentric and it's a killer amongst the trash. I pulled over 1000 coins out of one trashy school yard back in 2007 with my Tejon.

Between the 2 I would have to say that the Vaquero is easier to live with for general hunting. It's not as high strung and provides adequate depth for most hunts. I use the Tejon mainly in fields and the Vaquero and Compadre for hunting in the city.

All this back and forth about beep and dig has inspired me to try a machine with a screen. I found a sweet deal on a mint Deleon and should have it tomorrow. If worst comes to worst and I don't like it I can let one of the kids use it.

Dan

 

[Idxpro]

Dan, if you are going to try a machine with a screen, why a Tesoro? I wish you would give another brand who's known for good tdi screens a try or you may never like a screen. Just my opinion.

 

[Hombre]

Dan, if you are going to try a machine with a screen, why a Tesoro? I wish you would give another brand who's known for good tdi screens a try or you may never like a screen. Just my opinion.

You accused atomicscott of being a Minelab mole, what about you being a White's or Fisher moleinnochio. This is the Tesoro Forum

 

[dan b]

I like Tesoros.

I've had machines with screens: Ace250, GTI2500, F5, F70, T2, Omega 8000, GTA1000 and maybe a couple more I can't recall at the moment. I really liked the T2, but someone offered me $1650 for it so I had to sell it. I only paid $450! I would get another T2 one day, but other than that I have no interest in anything other than a Tesoro.

Maybe I should elaborate.

I like Tesoro's audio quality. They don't have that ridiculous flute tones of some of the other makes. I'd end up shooting myself in the face if I had to listen to that noise for more than 5 minutes.

I like Tesoro's build quality. Some of the machines mentioned above were so cheaply made that I was just waiting for them to crumble in my hands while I was using them. The T2 was the exception. That thing was built like a Tesoro.

I like the light weight of the Tesoros. I'm not an old man yet, but after swinging a heavy machine for a few hours even the fittest dude is going to feel it.

I like the warranty of the Tesoros. I can have confidence that years down the road I won't be left holding the bag if something stops working.


Dan

 

[tabman]

I've have different brands of detectors and have tried a lot of different brands and models of detectors. I'm going to keep trying different models and brands of detectors.

Bottom line so far, it's hard to beat a Tesoro when it comes to having fun. That's why I usually head out the door with a Tesoro in each hand.

tabman

 

[tabman]

I like Tesoros.

I've had machines with screens: Ace250, GTI2500, F5, F70, T2, Omega 8000, GTA1000 and maybe a couple more I can't recall at the moment. I really liked the T2, but someone offered me $1650 for it so I had to sell it. I only paid $450! I would get another T2 one day, but other than that I have no interest in anything other than a Tesoro.

Maybe I should elaborate.

I like Tesoro's audio quality. They don't have that ridiculous flute tones of some of the other makes. I'd end up shooting myself in the face if I had to listen to that noise for more than 5 minutes.

I like Tesoro's build quality. Some of the machines mentioned above were so cheaply made that I was just waiting for them to crumble in my hands while I was using them. The T2 was the exception. That thing was built like a Tesoro.

I like the light weight of the Tesoros. I'm not an old man yet, but after swinging a heavy machine for a few hours even the fittest dude is going to feel it.

I like the warranty of the Tesoros. I can have confidence that years down the road I won't be left holding the bag if something stops working.


Dan

Ditto on what Dan is saying. That's what makes Tesoro detectors so much fun to use. That and they work extremely well.

tabman

 

[Bill G]

Above was mentioned a Vaquero for mojotrout to try if and when he comes back around to a Tesoro detector. If he felt like he did not really understand the Outlaw detector and it was a little complicated like he stated in his post. He will have the same kinds of issues with the Vaquero the two detectors function a lot in the same way control wise, only some very miner differences.

Happy Hunting To All,
Bill G

 

[BarberBill]

I'm anxious to see how Dan B likes his DeLeon. I've used one quite a bit and really like it. Definitely deeper than the other umax detectors and the display is as good as any other TID machine I've used although I can't say I've used them all.
BB

 

[Idxpro]

Dan, if you are going to try a machine with a screen, why a Tesoro? I wish you would give another brand who's known for good tdi screens a try or you may never like a screen. Just my opinion.

You accused atomicscott of being a Minelab mole, what about you being a White's or Fisher moleinnochio. This is the Tesoro Forum

I didn't mention any brand names Randy. I simply made a suggestion based on the consensus that most would agree Tesoro is not the right machine when it comes to TDI. It's not what they are really known for as far as technology is concerned. I think my advice was actually pretty good and unbiased. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings and will gladly send a box of tissues. I will also take my own advice and send tissues from a company who's known for their absorbency.

 

[dan b]

I simply made a suggestion based on the consensus that most would agree Tesoro is not the right machine when it comes to TDI.

Not the right machine based on who's standards? I think it boils down to why we use metal detectors. If I was selling my finds to feed the family, and every minute out in the field counted, then, sure, I concede. But I'm not. This is a hobby for me, something I enjoy doing in my spare time. It gets me outside in the fresh air, it gets me exercise crouching down to recover targets, and it's intriguing to find objects lost by people long gone. It relaxes me and makes me happy. And for me, Tesoros are the perfect machines for that. I'd rather dig up 50 coins in the top 6" and have a good time than obsess over settings, menus, 99 tones etc. worried that I may miss one silver dime slightly out of reach of the Tesoro. What I do find is what matters, not what hypothetically I may have missed.

So, respectfully, I must disagree. The Deleon, like my other Tesoros, will be the perfect machine for the job.

Dan