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Goldbugs and EMI question.

Mike Hillis

Well-known member
I had done some jewelry hunting at a certain place with my F5. The EMI was so bad that I had to run very reduced settings. Low gain, and low threshold.
I rehunted the same location with a ATPro. The ATPro was not affected by the EMI and I was able to pull targets that I missed with the F5 because of the reduced settings. A lot of targets. Now I want to get another Gold Bug (just the plain jane one). Is the Gold Bug going to be affected by the EMI or will it perform like the ATPro?

I need a warm fuzzy about the Goldbug and EMI.

What has been your experiences with Goldbugs/G2 and electrical interference?

Thanks in Advance
Mike
 
The only EMI I have ever experienced with the GB/G2 that amounted to anything was around electric fences. You will hear every electric pulse from the charger. Depending on the strength of the charger I will have to get 50-100 yards away from them. I can hunt directly under power lines and near cell towers with little interference.
 
The park I am hunting in seems to affect my tesoro golden umax a lot. But the GB does not seem to bothered by it as much.
Every time a train goes by the detector will flake out.
 
Mike, as you can imagine, there isn't a guaranteed 'correct' answer due to variances in the source of the EMI. Often, from their first release, the Teknetics G2 and Fisher Gold Bug Pro and GB-DP have strongly been praised for how quiet they are at maximum Sensitivity/Gain. From most of my experiences I will agree that they are generally quieter than some other detectors, but not always.

Mike Hillis said:
I had done some jewelry hunting at a certain place with my F5. The EMI was so bad that I had to run very reduced settings. Low gain, and low threshold.
Maybe a similar comparison would be my use of the Teknetics Omega in some SE Portland, Oregon inner-city parking strips. Narrow streets with not too large parking strips, several of which had been dug and renovated and smoothed out.

With the Omega, as you know, the Threshold for the All Metal mode is tied in with the variable Sensitivity control so it does differ from the Fisher F5. Usually, to get a nice Threshold audio I have it set between about '68' and '73', depending upon the area, then I can manually GB and hunt in All Metal. At some of those inner city areas I had power lines directly overhead, or just a cross a narrow street and frequent older transformers on them.

With the Omega, it was tough to try and hunt in All Metal due to too much noise. In the Discriminate mode, with a Disc. level of '1' (minimum setting), I had to reduce the Sensitivity level to anywhere from about '51' to '59', and still it was a bit chattery. I tried the Teknetics T2 at the same sites, but it also called for a lot of Sensitivity reduction in order to operate. It worked, but at reduced power. I knew there was likely a good chance of silver coins to be found so I chose those models first for their light weight and display info. With the noise problems, however, I went back to my van and got out the Tek., G2 w/5" DD coil. I used 3 coils on the Omega and the 11" on the T2, but felt the 5" DD, which let the Omega work the best would be the way to go.

The G2 was inoperable. Not just a little, but totally! It made such a noisy racket it could drive you to the brink of insanity, and I dropped the Sensitivity all the way to minimum without satisfactory improvement. In those blocks of narrow streets that only let one car pass if there is another parked on the road, I would say that maybe 90% of the places i tried the G2, with any coil, were a total waste of time and effort. It was the worst experience I have had with the G2, and maybe only four or five other locations called for some reduction but not a lot.

It did prove to me, however, that all the shouts of joy for such a quiet detector had to mostly come from folks out hunting relic sites away from interference.


Mike Hillis said:
I rehunted the same location with a ATPro. The ATPro was not affected by the EMI and I was able to pull targets that I missed with the F5 because of the reduced settings. A lot of targets.
When I evaluated the AT-Pro a couple of times after its release I hunted in some of the same area. Most of the time, the AT Pro was quieter than the G2 as well as the other Teknetics models.


Mike Hillis said:
Now I want to get another Gold Bug (just the plain jane one). Is the Gold Bug going to be affected by the EMI or will it perform like the ATPro?

I need a warm fuzzy about the Goldbug and EMI.

What has been your experiences with Goldbugs/G2 and electrical interference?
I usually find the G2/Gold Bug Pro to be quieter than many/most other detectors .... however, when I get into a problem area where it doesn't work well, it basically doesn't work at all. It's either usually not noisy and works okay, or it is too bothers and close to useless to use.

In the inner city parking strips I mentioned I usually can work wither a White's XLT or XL Pro, and especially a modified IDX Pro with relative calm and little, if any, EMI issues. But even that varies. As a rule, from many, many years of hunting urban renovation work, the slow-sweep/quick-response 2 filter Classic models have served quite well and, if anything, the moderate sweep XLT or XL Pro can be noisier. But that experience can't be guaranteed, either.

A couple of years back they dug a few blocks of sidewalks in the old China town district. I was hunting with a friend and happened to grab my XLY first, thinking I'd mainly cruise the area to find a 'hot spot.' After popping two Indian Head's, two 'V' nickels and a Seated Liberty dime I decided to make a change. I found a good productive area with ample nails, but my blood sugars were also a little low so I went to my van and grabbed some OJ. Then, I switched from the XLT w/6
 
I hunted today in at an old 1 room school in the baseball field that had interference by the road. I hunted today with the GBPro and it ran quiet. My friend was hunting with an Advantage and he commented how it was noisy for him. I was running Sensitivity max. Seems the sensitivity could have been boosted on these detectors although I happy with the depth I'm getting.

Rick N. MI
 
As Monte and a few others have said, The Gold Bugs specially the Fisher Gold Bug Pro and Teknetics G2 are VERY good with EMI. Not always perfect but on average some of the best!
 
There is no such thing.:lmfao:
Seriously though i have never turned the Sens below 85 on my GB .
I hunted under some Hi tension lines this summer with no problem
Hunted sidewalks under the pole lines with no problem
Both spots different brands had to back off big time for stability..
 
Gosh gmanlight... Like you I have hunted both around and under the High-Tower lines at Randsburg California with
no problem using my Gold Bug Pro and the 5-inch sniper coil.
 
I too have never had a problem with EMI on the Gold Bug Pro. I almost never back off sensitivity from maxed out...

Mike, I'll be interested to hear how you like the GB Pro. I know the F5 is one of your favorites, and you are somewhat the "guru" on that machine; I also know you always have a couple of handfuls of detectors in your arsenal. It will be interesting to hear what you think of the GB Pro. Might it challenge your love for the F5?! ;)

Steve
 
I have hunted directly under some pretty large and low power lines and not noticed them with the Gold Bug and the 5" coil. More EMI with the 10" & 11" dds, but not really all that bad. My F2 and ID Edge are MUCH more susceptible and as expected the bigger the coil the larger the interference. I have noticed that humidity effects EMI contamination, too. So this is my 2 zinc cents worth!
Tom
 
Gosh Tom...humidity could be a factor... But I nuggethunt in the usually dry Mojave desert around the Early Randsburg mining camp about 120 miles ne of Los Angles... I only use the five-inch coil and like to
hunt the schist and caliche areas for placer gold.
 
Dude! What is the source of the EMI?
Tom
 
In this case, it was coming out a school building.
I have another site that is worse by a Hospital.
HH
Mike
 
It looks like for most cases it will be stable, except for a few special cases that will show up as they show up.

HH
Mike
 
I've hunted below the biggest darn power lines you've ever seen with my G2 and T2SE with zero problems. I have two words that will solve all your problems.......all metal. Hunt in all metal and your worries are gone. Simple as that.
 
When the F5 dances my Goldbug is stable. I always have both with me when i hunt. The tid is tighter on the GB if you are in to looking at the #'s. It is really to bad that in disc mode you could not pick between vco and saturated I definitely would have paid more for that option depending on your hunting situation. I still like the F5 due to its variables but both machine have a nice fit. To your other post about ground balance, the grab seems to be right on. The only time I mess with mine manually is when I am at the beach.

Take care
Bob
 
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